SPI MUST be gaining market traction!

So I understand Barry makes or formulates the reducers. Does SPI make all there own other products such as primers and clears? Do they receive any assistance from other companies?
 
Do you know of any companies that like SPI enough to help?
I don't, I get trashed more then any other company out there,Because I am a threat to their business.

Also how does this post help any painter trying to learn?
Got to go, PPG is bringing me donuts today.
 
LOL.

only help barry gets from other companies, i believe, is stupid money thrown at him trying to by spi and shut it down. well....i guess the big guys think thats help! its help for them!
 
About a year an a half ago Barry was kind enough to give me a tour of his facility. I was able to see first hand that he makes his own products and is very particular about how he does it. This is just my two cents worth but if Barry decides to go after the basecoat market, he would truly shake up the business!
 
Shine, if you look at the question that I asked, it wasn't directly answered...was answered with another question...not trying to offend anyone, you guys have been amazing. I was just curious, I know other companies assist in manufacturing other products that are made in the world. I don't make products so I can't answer if others would want to or not want to help SPI. I'm sure that the big companies do have help, i.e. several chemists, product engineers, etc. assisting. I would think on one hand, that some might wanna help and buy inot the company to make them larger or maybe better or maybe worse..so are all primers and clears under the SPI label designed/engineered only by Barry single handedly?..or does he have help engineering/designing these products by others? yes, no, maybe?
 
i think this was discussed on the old forum..excuse me if my memory is bad...barry is the forumlator of all the products. it isn't a one man show..he employs several people, including chemists that make is formulations into what they are when they come out of your gun. he's in very much control of everything they do. that is how you keep a successful business.....they start going down the tubes, service and sometimes quality wise, when you start hiring other guys to run things and start giving out ownership to other companies. sometimes people get blinded by the money.

correct me if i'm wrong..but i think thats how it is.
 
thought you had been here long enough dan. this has been gone over many times. since there's always some moron on another site claiming barry does not make his own stuff. especially the chevy sites.
 
sorry shine was never really sure how it was done at SPI...maybe I missed those posts? How does Barry know how what chemical works with what?...I think he said before he's not a chemist...does he hire chemists to help him make his products?
 
dan, does it truely matter? every company has vendors. i dont care if the stuff is made on the moon, its great stuff, always has been. service is great, price is right, quality is fantastic, thats all i or anyone needs to know.
 
shine;7331 said:
if you read the thread it becomes evident real fast that there are no professional painters there. just the typical hacks doing it cheap ( not directed at early :( ). but like they say. good or bad they are still talking about it..... :)
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Shine, I am about as far from a pro as is possible. There are a couple of real, professional painters there. There are many more who think they are. I am a hobbyist so I take NO offense to your statment.

That sub forum gets more peeing contests than good information. I think if sombody was a real, expereienced professional they would be foolish to offer advice on one of these forums. I know little and freely admit it. I pull out what is left of the hair on my bald head trying to debate those who refuse to debate logically, keep an open mind LET ALONE learn anything.

When it gets to goofy there, I close the browser window and end up here so that can actually learn something rather than argue it.
 
dan, sometimes too many questions about a persons business can be too much, especially if there are trade secrets. lets stick to questions about application of paint, not the production.
 
^^^^^^..........

I think Barry has stepped out of this thread reading his last post.. Barry creates and produces his products in house.. Reducers were outsourced and brought back in per his post a few spots up..

Barry is a chemist.. Nuff said..

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Well, there is only one item we do not make in house, a small sale item and that item was why SPI was founded, we use to make two kinds but now just one and it but it is such a dirty job we contract it out and save money doing it just eliminating the cleanup of equipment.

Nothing personal but discussions like this, I could spend all day on the Internet disputing things said about SPI and what pisses me off the most, is of all people, DAN and I have talked no less then a 100 times, helping him with his BASF and to question my chemical knowledge, just gulls me to no end.

So stuff like this I will just ignore in the future, so don't take it personal but if I don't respond there is a reason.
 
A crude analogy would be to compare Barry to a master chef. There are companies out there, like Bayer, that make many different core resins and additives that have various properties based on what is needed. Those are like the flour and eggs, etc. It's up to a "master chef" with lots of inside knowledge on what each ingredient will do to the recipe to bring a world class dish to life.

There are greasy spoon fry cooks out there also, that are slapping together some cheap ingredients and calling it a premium product. That would be the competition.

I think most paint companies are this, especially smaller ones. I mean, to actually manufacture something like hexamethylene diisocyanate is an expensive, difficult, and nasty process which I believe involves phosgene gas, which was incidentally used in WWI as a weapon.
 
chemist make resins and additives.
a Blender is the one who puts together the right ingredients to make the product. it is Barrys knowledge of these resins and additives which makes spi a far superior product. it is blended for performance not profit . this is the key . i'll gladly take the flamming over spi every time simply because i know i am dealing with ignorance and jealousy .
 
Crash, the only exception I take to what you posted, is there are VERY FEW small companies in this market, a lot of what you see is same stuff, different day with a label slapped on the can, with there name on it.

A standing joke for years has been at every annual NACE show there would be 5-10 new companies there, none of them made their own stuff and all was the same crap in a different label, made by one of the two companies that do private label.

They were gone by the next year and 5-10 more would be up in running.

A few notes, that I have seen posted, just for your info is Major paint companies, don't Private label.
I remember in the same post, the guy referred to something like SPI not big like 5 star to make their own stuff. DUH, 5 start is a marketing company owned by a warehouse group and makes nothing.

Also all paint companies make their own resins and ISO's, no way in H can they do that, the estimated coast of a reactor plant to produce ISO'S, now would be close to a billion dollars and the only new one being built is by Evonic in china to be completed in 2013-14.
Now with that said, BASF did buy the Huntsman group a few years back and Huntsman makes some resins and ISO, Huntsman was the brains behind the Linux, Rhino type bed liners and makes those resins and the ISO'S for those products.

This is why, I refuse to reply to any posts like this, as they don't know and its is a waste of time.
 
well...if the so called nay-sayers aren't happy with the info given in this thread......then there is no hope for them and just need to be left alone. barry you could take these guys on a tour of your facility, and they still wouldn't believe.
 
i feel some questions about production are too personal. already believing in the product, only application questions are pertinent.
 
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