SPI MUST be gaining market traction!

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The detractors and mis informers are coming out of the woodwork on hobby forums.

Discussion from one such Camaro board lately in paraphrase from a single poster:

"SPI does not manufacture their own products, they relabel other companies' "
"I called SPI and they used scare tactics when I asked about using SPI epoxy with opsho or paint over rust products"
"The demonstrated superiority of SPI over any other product (including bargain basement epoxies) is debatable"

This was in a discussion of epoxy. The attack was as much on epoxy products as SPI the poster was a true believer in paint over rust products. . .the word must be getting out and it must be hitting home. My jobber asked me when I would need more paint and i told them as soon as they carried SPI primers, a reasonably priced, quality basecoat and SPI clear we could do business on paint. Remember I am a hobbyist and a guy who fixes minor rust and dents for entertainment. If they are missing my business. . .things must be pretty dang slow.

I love it and cannot wait for it to continue.

Perhaps these are isolated, anctedotal instances but interesting nonetheless!

Brent
 
When I see a thread come up like this it really gets me wondering wtf these people are thinking that its ok to talk bullshit about spi and their products. I think majority of these individuals dont have a clue how to correctly restore a car, and have just enough knowledge to be dangerous. I think if you have something to say about how crappy a product is why not come to this website and do it.Maybe they could do themselves a favor and learn what their not doing properly. A old guy once told me years ago sometimes you can learn alot by talking less and listening more. Joe
 
more times that not, these guys are "know it alls". they've probably crossed paths with barry as this guy has and barry has flat out told them the truth at would could happen if you use x product under his product. they didn't like the answer and are determined to be "right." Of all the accusations i've seen of spi, none of them have been backed up. none.

some guys just cant get over it and refuse to even try.
 
if you read the thread it becomes evident real fast that there are no professional painters there. just the typical hacks doing it cheap ( not directed at early :( ). but like they say. good or bad they are still talking about it..... :)
 
shine;7331 said:
if you read the thread it becomes evident real fast that there are no professional painters there. just the typical hacks doing it cheap ( not directed at early :( ). but like they say. good or bad they are still talking about it..... :)

That is why I don't even visit let alone post on those "other" forums.
 
I remember the email from that guy, his experience was he did post office mail boxes and used metal ready with an enamel, his email was I should fix my product to work over stuff like that and I said, don't care about it and please use someone else's epoxy over it.

After 10 emails or so he got tired of hearing telling him it won't work and said he would use a Major brand and I said great!.

Oshpo, is a different story, I tell people how to neutralize it and if done right will work.
 
Often times you'll have a person using products that you know are failure prone, you can talk till you're blue in the face but because that's what he used he'll refuse to accept the fact that all his hard work will be a total waste of time. When it peels, fades, cracks, chips, corrodes-then the truth is undeniable and that's when the person should warn the masses.
 
Its funny, I get 15-30 emails a day for tech questions and the way this was written I had suspicion right away it was from someone at Eastwood, guess I was wrong.

I finally got fed up after trying to help, I listed what he could use and maybe get away with it and what not to use, that is when he blew up and I said great and for the first time, marked his email as junk mail, so I would never get an email from him again. You know in all these years that is the first time I have ever marked an email as spam.
 
I trust SPI, so far their products have worked great!! The naysayers can go pound sand.
 
if someone has tried and didn't like it.....so be it. to actually think summit products perform as good or better blows my mind. those people are few and far between. but most of these guys who just have a brutal hatred towards these products, have never even tried them. the best excuse when talking to these guys is "well i dont have a jobber in my area...then when you tell them you can order direct......they all of a sudden have some sort of fix about mail ordering products. you actually think the paint store down the road makes this stuff behind the building?!?! it's shipped freight everyday. if it is someone in the garage, time isn't an issue. someone running a business......my lord if you cant plan ahead with your materials you dont need to be in the business.....a day or 2 wait is nothing on paint. try waiting months and months on a specific part.

theres actually some out there that just dont like barry's style.....they dont like hearing the truth.
 
more like just envious rookies who just hate the word " professional " which they will never be. hr.com is over run with them . i see it on many forums i visit and it's not just paint. i have to listen to it about building cars also. some hojo has built one car now he's and expert. it's getting hard to help folks because of them.
 
Out of every thread I have read about spi products on every paint forum I have joined I have NOT read ONE legit complaint.

That's why I switched over, as long as SPI is still in business I'll always be a loyal customer.
 
i am a garage hobbyist as well. the wealth of info online from the awesome people here, spi's product and customer service are second to none.
 
everybody started in the garage. me included . i know guys who do their own that could work for just about anyone. i also know those who have been doing it 35 years as they claim that couldn't paint their way out of a paper sack with a roller and a bucket of paint. they are the wannabe's who spread bad advice. they also take the advice of professionals and make it their own. there is one in particular that has changed his tune over the last few years basically passing on advice of others he argued with in the beginning. he showed up here once and got his butt ran off. of all the paint forums i visit this is the only one that does not put up with that crap.
 
The Internet in general is good and bad. A wealth if initiation at your fingertips but you have to be very careful on what is "information" and what is "bad advice".

I am a pretty good judge of character, and when emailing with Barry for tech advice you can sense confidence very easily. No long run on replies. Straight to the point. I appreciate that.

I don't need to be talked down to, and I don't need to know what a genius you are everytime I contact you. Show me how smart you are with good advice! I have two jobbers by me one is awesome and the other I have had issues with. Take the good with the bad I guess.

Sorry to sound like I'm blowing spi. Lol. But just like to show my appreciation!
 
Are all SPI products made by SPI? Does Barry engineer all products, or do other companies assist?
 
the reducers, i think are manufactured by companies that do the same for the big guys....but they are to spi specs. they are spi's own formulas. everything is made by spi i believe. i'm sure barry will correct me!
 
You are right Jeremy, we use to have them (reducers) blended in totes by Chem-central but they were bought out by Univar a few years back so we started blending in house.
Hated to do that as kinda a PIA but it all goes back to quality control and its the old saying, if you want it done right, do it yourself.

We buy most of our solvents from Univar but I don't trust them to follow a formula, no real reason to say what I said but you just have to wonder how much care a dock worker will put into your product as far as exact lbs per item, used in that formula. Sad thing was because they buy each solvent by the railroad car and I have to buy each one in 55 gallons drums, it costs me more to make the same formula. Same reason the majors may use one of the three big solvent companies.
 
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