spi 2100 production clear

On the price sheet it lists 2104-4 as very fast activator yet the number sequence(2101-4 is fast, 2102-4 is medium, 2103-4 is slow, and 2104-4 is very FAST??? Is this an error on the price sheet or is the number logic not consecutive in this case?
 
One other question on the production clear-if Universal is softer and easier to buff and Euro is harder and more scratch resistant where does the Production fall? Between those two or pretty much like the Euro as far as hardness and buffability?
 
seneca2e;17128 said:
On the price sheet it lists 2104-4 as very fast activator yet the number sequence(2101-4 is fast, 2102-4 is medium, 2103-4 is slow, and 2104-4 is very FAST??? Is this an error on the price sheet or is the number logic not consecutive in this case?
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Not a mistake but an afterthought, we had been making this activator for a large jobber and it was not for resale the last year and decided to make it available.
Same thing happed with the 4100 clear and we have a 4105-4 very fast that is now ready for regular sales where before it was for one jobber only.
 
seneca2e;17129 said:
One other question on the production clear-if Universal is softer and easier to buff and Euro is harder and more scratch resistant where does the Production fall? Between those two or pretty much like the Euro as far as hardness and buffability?
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5000, 5100 and 2100 will be exactly the same in hardness.
 
Thanks! As always a speedy answer. That truly is the difference. Just imagine trying to get an accurate answer from another paint company. Even if you get one you always wonder if you got the guy that actually knew the answer lol.
 
seneca2e;17132 said:
Thanks! As always a speedy answer. That truly is the difference. Just imagine trying to get an accurate answer from another paint company. Even if you get one you always wonder if you got the guy that actually knew the answer lol.
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Around here, people assess clear based on folklore and legend for the reasons you just listed. For example, even though PPG's tech sheet says otherwise, I know a shop that swears 2021 is a top shelf show quality clear. When I showed him the PPG tech. sheet he said "that cant be right, let me call my jobber". This is just another reason why I find myself having to learn how to do this work myself.
 
Barryk;17130 said:
Not a mistake but an afterthought, we had been making this activator for a large jobber and it was not for resale the last year and decided to make it available.
Same thing happed with the 4100 clear and we have a 4105-4 very fast that is now ready for regular sales where before it was for one jobber only.
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So there is a VERY FAST activator for the Production clearcoat? Oh I have to get my hands on a couple of them. I just tried the Fast activator that Barry made a bit faster just recently and with a bit of Polar added to it worked damn good, this one shop can't believe they can assemble bumpers 1 hr. after being painted and ready to buff in less than 90 minutes, and the painter is 'scared' about pushing the clear a bit more by adding more Polar to it, for the price they can't believe how good it is!!!!

I'm really fond of this clear as its very easy to spray and match factory peel with it.
 
Jorge M.;17156 said:
So there is a VERY FAST activator for the Production clearcoat? Oh I have to get my hands on a couple of them. I just tried the Fast activator that Barry made a bit faster just recently and with a bit of Polar added to it worked damn good, this one shop can't believe they can assemble bumpers 1 hr. after being painted and ready to buff in less than 90 minutes, and the painter is 'scared' about pushing the clear a bit more by adding more Polar to it, for the price they can't believe how good it is!!!!

I'm really fond of this clear as its very easy to spray and match factory peel with it.
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this by far is my Favorite.

has nothing to do with price.

i can spray it without thought get great factory peel results and overall just Damn happy with the 2100.

i have been adding small amounts of reducer to it lately and getting it to lay out a little better on larger jobs.

Travis
 
Jorge M.;17156 said:
So there is a VERY FAST activator for the Production clearcoat? Oh I have to get my hands on a couple of them. I just tried the Fast activator that Barry made a bit faster just recently and with a bit of Polar added to it worked damn good, this one shop can't believe they can assemble bumpers 1 hr. after being painted and ready to buff in less than 90 minutes, and the painter is 'scared' about pushing the clear a bit more by adding more Polar to it, for the price they can't believe how good it is!!!!

I'm really fond of this clear as its very easy to spray and match factory peel with it.
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Oh boy!! With me speeding up the fast activator, there may be no real difference now and we may not need the very fast, when I get a chance i will look in see as the very fast was made for a specific group of shops and the fast was tweaked based on general feed back from cooler shops and neither had anything to do with the other and that in itself is very unusual. I will check today if i get a chance.
 
I just looked at the formulas and there is really no difference or to be exact the regular fast is mathematically .015% faster then the very fast now.

So the very fast we will pull and blend into the fast Monday when we make more and use the 2104 number as the very slow, Thanks for bringing this to my attention.
 
Great didn't even know there was a very slow available for the production 2100!
 
Yea perhaps one of our flaws is we will make special stuff for a customer if volume is there and we really need to just bring it to full market when we do this but in some cases like the very fast 4100 and 2100 activator at the time I was afraid it might be too radical and wanted to have control, now I know it was nothing and no risk.

I just made white SS for a big trucking company, if they like it, they will go through up to 100 gallon kits a month in this case will open up to everyone else also.
 
Man that is great news on the white ss. I sure hope that works out! I had wanted to try that before and never followed thru on it.
 
i really like the very slow in the hot months

as Barry called it Hotbo slow activator,lol!!!
 
Hotbo;17200 said:
i really like the very slow in the hot months

as Barry called it Hotbo slow activator,lol!!!
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That is right made and named after Bo although we just now refer to it as "very slow" did not want to pay any royalties!
 
SPI 2100 Production Clear

I have to Bring props up for this clear again!

i love it!abuse it and still love it!

i have went thru 2 gallons in 5 days at the shop

i have been spraying 2 car repairs a day and yesterday 3.

im lucky to be very busy at the time being.

Thank you Barry and SPI for everything you do for the little guys! its what makes me keep coming back over and over.

my shop is little and i have tried several Major(so called)clears,ect. over the years.by far SPI from Epoxy all the way to the Clears are Superior IMO.

Travis
 
Thank you Hotbo!

I saw the guys filling your order today, so stuffed a fast activator in there also, it is the new faster fast, so it will give you something to play with.

Nothing pisses the guys off more then when they have everything arranged in the box and I come buy with just one little quart to mess them up!
 
I just ordered another 3 kits of this stuff from Kimball today, awesome stuff!!!
 
Production clear is my work horse! Big or small it works great. Truly a one clear that can do it all. Using med. & fast activator for the most part. I would agree that the fast could be bumped up in speed but only if it will not affect the gloss level. Slow activator only used once this summer in extreme heat. 34c & humidity over 90 we did not need to wet the floor down the humidity took care of that for us. On some occasions I add some flex additive for that extra flow & gloss. Love the feel of this clear once it is dry. Run your hand over it & it is so smooth & slippery feeling. This is the only clear I have seen like this since I worked for Sherwin Williams they had a clear cc639 glamour clear that was very close to this. Since the VOC laws have changed here in Canada manufactures have struggled to produce a clear that works well in our climate. I would put SPI production clear up against any clear from the major players & kick there asses all day long. We previously used SW & then Sikkens clear & primers until our jobber introduced SPI to us. Now SW & Sikkens are just a bad memory & lesson learned. No joke we have had to polish ajasent panels on peoples vehicles because they said the new paint is to shinny compared to the rest. I never had anyone say that to me before SPI.

Rob
 
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