mixing paint brands

I called Jim tonight to talk about his car,, I was wrong about his hood.., It hasnt faded, it was the bumper has slightly faded as most bumpers on cars do... So I was wrong about the hood on the car folks..

My apologies to Mr. Clark as I meant not malace towards him or his car

PD
 
Barryk;4767 said:
While we are on the subject.
How much is a gallon of Black base:
Lesional
Prospray
Deltron
Diamont
Auto base plus
Spies

Anyone know?
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Pro-spray is around 150 if my memory serves me correctly.. that's for factory pack.
Mixed to code will be over 200
 
sikkens 140 deep black right off the machine is going to run roughly $450-500 retail. i could be on the high end though...lesonal, dont expect MUCH less than that. Lesonal is begining to be a joke. The price difference is NONE when you compare the difference in coats needed to cover like sikkens.
 
I picked up a pint of DBC toyota black last week that was $57 so $456/gallon LOL, cry................
 
jeremyb;4789 said:
sikkens 140 deep black right off the machine is going to run roughly $450-500 retail. i could be on the high end though...lesonal, dont expect MUCH less than that. Lesonal is begining to be a joke. The price difference is NONE when you compare the difference in coats needed to cover like sikkens.
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A person needs to do some testing and math to determine if a product is cost effective for sure.
 
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Wow, I had no idea the lesional was like this, I have on the phone recommended it many times as it use to be one of the best buys out there, guess its been watered down, so will no longer recommend.
These prices are mind blowing to me, I had no idea, my gallon of SPI red base must be a misprint at $250 a gallon.

I think the 2 should have been an 8?
 
lol! well i dont think that they are watering it down more, jus the price difference isn't there anymore for some reason. I would still use lesonal over deltron ;)
 
Although the base I am looking at is Viper Red the black cost reference gets the point across. Thanks
 
portland;4805 said:
Although the base I am looking at is Viper Red the black cost reference gets the point across. Thanks
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That makes me feel better, if I read this right as red is the WORST color for fading and so important to go with a top grade base.
There is a chemical fact, that you can take the best clear made vs the worst clear made and if either is applied over a substandard color, the best VS the worst clear equals about 6 months more life out of the job.

Yet put the same two clears over a high quality base and the difference could be 5-15 years easily of longer life.
 
thats what a lot of guys dont understand with lower quality bases. Yea the price is nice, might match decent, and spray good but what does it look like 5-10 years from now exposed to the regular outside elements. Im not talking about garage kept cars that only see daylight on a sunday afternoon.

One reason i am wanting more info out of the wanda paint...price is as good as prospray or the spi basecoats...but cant find anyone with professional experience with it yet. They had a few cars at sema with their waterborne. Only been in the us market for 4 years now i believe.
 
So if I am understanding this correctly, the base not the clear is the most important component to life of paint job. That's what I did needed to know as I was convinced that the clear top coat had the greatest influence on durability.
 
If all things are equal, the clear is the most important but throw in a bad grade of color and it all goes out the window.
 
Got a gallon of Viper Red quoted today at Napa they sell Martin Senour. One gallon Viper Red $800.00 in Tec Base; $214.00 in Finish 1 then next step down at this store. Needless to say I don't think I'll be using Tec Base!
 
You could always choose a less expensive color, then you would be able to use a better paint.

If you have a DuPont jobber in your town, you should be able to buy either Spies-Hecker or Standox. Viper Red might not be any less expensive in those brands, but it will cover better, hence you will use less. You may not even need a whole gallon, depending on the size of the job, and if you use something like Barry's new red oxide epoxy underneath it.

There's always that other factor of a cheaper base eventually ruining your entire job. That would end up making the cheap base the most expensive of all!

P.S. I would not buy paint from Napa. Better to find the paint jobber in your area that all the big body shops buy from. But you have to go in armed with specific knowledge about what you want. I have received horrible material advice from paint countermen in the past.
 
dont know much about price from those companies, but i would bet their color isn't $800. are there different prices for different regions? i have NEVER, even without a discount, paid 800 bucks for a gallon of any red in sikkens. i just pulled up viper red in sikkens, and 1 gal unreduced is $560 retail.

edit...i stand corrected. my computer wasn't adjusted for this years price increase. viper red is $600.
 
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The price I was given is not discounted I haven't found a store in Louisville,Ky giving discounts to an individual that might paint 1 car a year if lucky. I do have one Dupont dealer close I'll try that one next. Another question is the Tec Base and Finish 1 base is recommending a white sealer, does that seem correct?
 
price i listed isn't a discount price. White sealer or white base helps coverage under the red. I think grey epoxy works just fine though, dependings on your brand of base....some could be more transparent than others.
 
I think I might start a thread on "Coverage." In my opinion, putting white under a red doesn't actually help coverage, instead it provides a consistent look around the vehicle that might be said to be a special effect similar to a candy, where light passes all the way through the color and bounces off the substrate into our eye, giving the "pop" people talk about in reference to this procedure.

Using white primer or sealer would certainly NOT be an effective way to achieve hiding on the repair and blending of a red vehicle.
 
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