Universal Clear verses Production Clear

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Outlaw

When it comes to chosing between Universal Clear and Production Clear, the Universal sounds like the better choice if its not going to be buffed out shortly after the shoot. Production clear has a much shorter window for buffing. Universal seems to be without a window. Does this mean the overall best finish for holding up would be the Production Clear? Is there any advantage over one or the other on how easy it is to apply?
 
I haven't shot the Universal Clear yet (still in my cabinet waiting for the "right" project) but I have shot the Production Clear and Euro Clear. My preference right now is the Euro Clear. It seems to get harder and more scratch resistant the longer it cures. Plus it lays out real nice and lately I haven't had to buff it. I shoot it straight 4:1 though. The only runs I have had using it was when I reduced it. LOL
 
Thanks Coronet. Let me know if you shoot the universal. I hear so much good about it!
 
Outlaw;n72988 said:
When it comes to chosing between Universal Clear and Production Clear, the Universal sounds like the better choice if its not going to be buffed out shortly after the shoot. Production clear has a much shorter window for buffing. Universal seems to be without a window. Does this mean the overall best finish for holding up would be the Production Clear? Is there any advantage over one or the other on how easy it is to apply?
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The Universal and the production are the exact same thing except two items.
Solis is about 8% less for the production.
The iso blend for the activator of the production has less trimer iso then the universal to cut costs.
The universal is the best for the long haul due to:
Solids, extra trimer for stone chip resistance and buffing and you can go up to 9 coats before you start losing clarity, where most clears tell you to stop at 3 max, due to clarity loss and increased risk of stone chipping.
Hard is not best in paint or clear.
 
Great information. Thanks Barry, I always thought the Universal was the premiere clear so I have been holding on to it for my next personal project.
 
Well that makes the choice pretty much in favor of the Universal. How about a comparison of the Euro to the Universal? Universal still a better choice for the long haul? Thanks!
 
I've only shot the Universal Clear but I can't imagine how any other clear could possibly be better in any area. I wouldn't consider using any other clear.
 
Thanks JW. Im planning on the Universal 4000-1, 1;1, over Prospray base (color maatch 56 Ford Meadow Green non metallic). My target tempreture is between 70-90 so Im thinking 1:1 with 4403 activator and no reducer. 26 pounds on Sagola 4400 gun guage when the trigger is pulled, and a wide spray pattern with 1.3 tip. I dont have a 1.4 tip for this gun, but I do have a sagola Extreme with the 1.3 x L tip.
 
jwd;n73019 said:
I've only shot the Universal Clear but I can't imagine how any other clear could possibly be better in any area. I wouldn't consider using any other clear.
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Alot depends on the job, conditions and intended use. Either way all will be better then any product you are likely to buy from your local jobber.
 
I think the Universal flows out way better than the Euro.
But I use the Euro more often for my collision work because of the cost savings,
It does fine. On dark colors it seems to be a little better for fighting against swirls
because of it being a little harder.
 
Outlaw;n73007 said:
Well that makes the choice pretty much in favor of the Universal. How about a comparison of the Euro to the Universal? Universal still a better choice for the long haul? Thanks!
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The euro is here again exactly the same as the universal except the use of less trimmer and was made for the production shop in mind.
Main thing is the painter decides how he wants this clear to perform buy the speed and amount of reducer he uses, where the universal, I;m making the decision for you and your only choice is speed of activator.
This clear we also has the fast activator that allows buffing in 30-45 minutes for spot repair work and what is different about this from the other clears, is the other speed clears are about 1/2 the solids to make this happen.
There is a separate thread on this, that our Jobber Ed tested in FL. against the other speed clears.
 
So Barry, are you saying they're the same, the Euro is just as easy to buff as the Universal?,
I sure thought they were different, seemed to me.
 
jcclark;n73041 said:
So Barry, are you saying they're the same, the Euro is just as easy to buff as the Universal?,
I sure thought they were different, seemed to me.
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Yes they are the same. BUT not for buffing because of less trimmer and production works does not wait to buff, so the window is smaller.
I have heard it all on the buffing as far as harder or easier but nothing buffs like the universal.
 
I had a hard time buffing Euro today. Used fast act with 885. Baked it with medium wave lamp, waited a couple hours and sanded with 2k and 3k. I put polar in it too. Was this too soon to buff even if baked?
 
The fast activator is loaded with tin so its a 30-45 minute clear, adding polar with the fast is going to overload the iso's with moisture and yes, cause it to buff hard.
Not a great idea unless humidity is about %10-15.
 
Wow. No idea. I bet the humidity was in the 70 range. It's 7 degrees now and 73% humidity.
 
I haven't tried the production clear, but my everyday clear is the low VOC Euro, and I used a few gallons of the Universal on the special stuff. Hands down, the Universal is the best clear I tried, it flows very nicely, and what it does different than the Euro is that on metallic colors, I find it adds more dept. Both are very easy to buff. If I want the best finish possible, I don't hesitate, I go to the Universal.
 
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