Short notes form a weekend of calls.

Barry

Paint Fanatic
Staff member
Its the time of year, hot and humid and because of this about one time around a car with a paint gun and the compressor has turned into a water generator.
Body shops will have $1000's of dollars in a water trap system.
Here are the facts, only desiccant or a refrigerant system will stop the water vapors from going through the line, this is why to be a direct repair for an insurance company or to be certified by the major paint companies you must have one or the other.

To clear the matter up let me give you new folks an example. We have two air systems at the plant, the one has 50ft of copper coiled at the compressor, then 15 feet of line to a $900 Sata water trap, then goes 50 more feet to a motor guard M60 water trap.
Do we get vapors? Yes, so bad at first I bought a case of the orange ball filters that screw on the gun, as I like this system to test batches for convenience.
Here is what I learned real quick those filters at the gun was good for the equivalent of two passes on a set of T-tops and then needed replaced.
Were the filters wet inside? No but did not stop the vapors coming through the line.
Only solution was a DAD500 add on and never a problem since, we change the desiccant almost every 2.5 months.
So if you think those $15 -$50 water traps work, think again.

What does water do?
Epoxy, pinheads or fish-eyes.
2K primer, nothing you can see, makes it brittle, could crack down the road, increase the chance of stone chipping, poor adhesion of base.
Base-coat, nothing you can see but maybe blushing in places, long term, slight chance it could crack but unlikely.
Clear and SS, solvent pop, fish-eyes, Iso clumping, brittleness, white specks in clear, noticed when buffing, potential of blistering down the road, stone chipping, harder to buff or even impossible to buff out 2000 grit scratches (a worse case scenario but has happened)

Costs:
A band-aid would be a desiccant snake, could last for a full paint job, cost $20-25.
A dad500 is in the $500-600 range but if you Google, there are knock offs for $140-$180, that are every bit as good.

This weekend, crossed my mind to get an unlisted tech line number. LOL
 
Hey barry where can i get one of those knock off DAD-500's?
 
Type in dad500 on Google or desiccant systems and there will be hundreds of options, I know a few people on here have paid 140-179 for them. (SPEAK UP)
make sure it looks like the 500 with three pieces and same size desiccant holder.
 
Thanks Barry
Anyone have experience with this air dryer from harbor freight?
It has gotten great reviews image-4283731598.jpg
 
This why I love/hate this forum. Evey time I come on here I read another thread about some pending disaster that is lurking for my next paint job. But it's always the advice I need to hear. Thanks Barry!
 
gotta have a weather station in your booth . i've started at 5 oclock with 35% and it be 85% by noon .
 
Im thinking of putting one of those barometer type guages in my booth lol
 
got mine from dupont years ago. so old it has the old orig rainbow on it . without it your pissing into the wind .
 
He-He, your first post gave me a laugh, :cower:, I called a few times. Thanks Barry for helping me out over the weekend. Part of my problem is undersided equipment I think, so I bought a new compressor today. I was just working on adding a drying and thought I'd check into the forum to read up on this stuff, so your post was very timely. I was thinking about having the air pass through a 5 gallon tank packed in ice before the hose takes the air to the gun, with the idea that the cool ice would condense the air and squeeze out the moisture while in the tank. Does this sound like a good idea? Will it work? I'm in the middle of spraying my 63 corvette.
 
steve, a friend of mine has that drier. its been in his shop now for about 5 years. i am not a harbor freight fan at all so after breaking his balls about it i took a good at it. it has all honeywell controls and its built really great. in 5 years its never missed a beat. i have has desiccant systems just like the dad500 and while its a good unit when i put up my shop i went with a refrigerated and never looked back. here in new jersey its so humid in the summer i could replace the desiccant in it in the morning and it would be completely wiped by the end of the day. the maintenance on it was really annoying and expensive. for just a hair over what the dad cost is what i bought my refrigerated unit for. i put mine on a timer set to be on during the normal work day and in 7 years i have never had to service it other than to blow the dust out of the cooling fins.
 
Thanks Jim. Im on long island and i can agree, the humidity can be torture.
HF has a big sale this month thank you for the info!
 
Steves69LS3;36864 said:
HF has a big sale this month thank you for the info!

Sounds like there is going to be a run on the air dyer at HF :) I don't see it on sale, and I don't have any 20% off coupons. BUT, I flip through magazines at the news stand during lunch sometimes and noticed that some magazines have sale ads with 20% or even 25% off coupons in the ad. Looks like I'll be picking up a $6 magazine to save $100.
 
What is the magic number to start being concerned with on humidity? Looking at todays weather for example, it starts out at 90%, by lunch it is 70% and from 5-7pm it bottoms out at 56%. This is what the weather channel lists for today. Is there a cut off point that we should shoot to stay under? I know this is all irrelevant to a proper set up, but I am thinking for the home hobby guys.
 
Shooting early in the morning is also good because all of the bugs arent out yet. But if the humidity is low later on in the day, i guess a few fly traps wouldnt hurt?
 
Arrowhead;36865 said:
Sounds like there is going to be a run on the air dyer at HF :) I don't see it on sale, and I don't have any 20% off coupons. BUT, I flip through magazines at the news stand during lunch sometimes and noticed that some magazines have sale ads with 20% or even 25% off coupons in the ad. Looks like I'll be picking up a $6 magazine to save $100.

Here is link to 20% off coupon at HF

http://www.savings.com/printable/2849191-deal.html?sid=1381768919-62-297269091658
 
here in texas most days in summer start off with low humidity and increase through out the day . much of it depends on dew point . there are times it is 70% at 5 am . i simply wont shoot in those conditions. i have the luxury of being able to wait for a good day. if i were still running the shop in town i would definitely op for a cooler.

now i do have my country boy cooler but remember i'm cheap and poor so i dont buy fancy new stuff :)
i have a 55 gal plastic drum with a coil in it . filled with well water and setting in the shade it stays around 55 degrees . i freeze milk jugs of water in the freezer and set them in it . i have it for my blasting hood . keeps you nice and cool . when i move the compressor i will plumb under ground to the shop to cool my air.
 
I read somewhere the DAD500 doesn't need maintenance,
doesn't it have a desiccant that needs replacing?
 
I have a refrigerated dryer on the whole shop, AND a desiccant bag filter in the spray booth. Too many things can go wrong on a good day to be worrying about crud in the air line.
 
wisch79;36866 said:
What is the magic number to start being concerned with on humidity? Looking at todays weather for example, it starts out at 90%, by lunch it is 70% and from 5-7pm it bottoms out at 56%. This is what the weather channel lists for today. Is there a cut off point that we should shoot to stay under? I know this is all irrelevant to a proper set up, but I am thinking for the home hobby guys.

The % humidity is deceiving as the moisten content of the air goes up considerably as the temperature goes up even if the humidity % stays the same. So based on your example, even though the % humidity is going down, the actual moisture content of the air either staying the same or increasing as the temperature goes up. The air compressor could give a crap about temperature or % humidity, all that matter is moisture content in #'s of water /# of dry air.

Here's a simple psychometric chart. So take your example at 90% RH and say 60 degrees in the morning, your at .11#'s of water /# of air. At night when I'm guessing it's 80 degrees and 56% your at .13#'s of water/#of air. See how the moisture level went up even though the % humidity went down? you can see by the chart that as it get below 50 degrees dry bulb, the air just can't hold much moisture.

http://www.firstrays.com/psychrometric_chart.htm
 
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