iwata blues

I want to try a SATA but I'm frankly grossed out by what they charge for them. Once upon a time our jobbers had loaner guns to try, but since we are in flyover country, all the corporations have abandoned us especially since the whole virus thing. Not sure I want to pay close to a grand for something I have not even tried or laid eyes on.
 
Chris_Hamilton said:
Doesn't really matter IMO. Digital will show the pressure at the gun and with the trigger pulled but a regulator will do the same thing. If money is tight, non digital works just fine. BTW, my favorite clear gun of all time is my Sata 5000 RP 1.3 and it's non digital.

If you are interested in a Sata for clear or SS, then a RP is the one to choose. The HVLP Sata's do not spray clear/ss very well. A good choice would be 5000 RP 1.3 or x5500 RP 1.3 "O" nozzle.

Spraygunsdirect in the UK is the best place to purchase one ATM.
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I’m not a sata fan boy by any means…but I have to agree I did love my sata 5000. I had a 1.3 RP and a 1.2 hvlp. They were great spraying guns for sure. I’ll admit though the iwata lph is my old faithful. Never lets me down. No it’s not fast. It’s slow and deliberate. It’s not too bad with a 1.4 and the orange cap but still slow. But with collision work just doing a few panels it’s fine. I’ve just been using them so long they feel right in my hand. I feel like I could spray with my eyes closed. Another favorite of mine are Sagola extremes. I still have a 4500 kicking around. The 4600’s are a great gun and put out a lot of material as well. They have had enormous price increases over the past couple years though and it makes them a tough sell to old school guys that are only familiar with the big 3. I could def see a couple 5000’s in my collection again though…we’ll see. They really shine when doing a complete or half a truck, etc.
 
crashtech said:
I want to try a SATA but I'm frankly grossed out by what they charge for them. Once upon a time our jobbers had loaner guns to try, but since we are in flyover country, all the corporations have abandoned us especially since the whole virus thing. Not sure I want to pay close to a grand for something I have not even tried or laid eyes on.
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I can promise you that you would not be disappointed in how they spray. And they last. I had a Sata 2000 HVLP 1.3 that I used for 15+ years, doing collision. They had zero gaskets or plastic pieces to wear out. Replaced the needle/nozzle after about 8 years and used it almost 8 more. When I retired it, it was still spraying fine. The 5000 and later models do have a couple of plastic gaskets but nothing compared to Devilbiss or others. I have yet to have to replace anything on either of my 5000's or the x5500 I have. The one 5000 I used day in day out for 3+years when I worked collision, never an issue. And they spray so nice. If you like to spray fast, the RP's are perfect.
 
to clear it up i loved my iwata but i'm disabled now and cant hold it long enough doing large flat panels. i had to switch off to left handed halfway through the roof on the 56 so it's kinda fubared . insane how important your abdominal muscles are.
i dont do much now so may just suffer thru it. i do bikes now so not as bad.

by the way the iwata is sprayed 4-6in off panel . that is the hardest thing to learn .

think i will pick up another vaper 1.4 . hell the 2.0 i have shoots great.
 
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Chris_Hamilton said:
Doesn't really matter IMO. Digital will show the pressure at the gun and with the trigger pulled but a regulator will do the same thing. If money is tight, non digital works just fine. BTW, my favorite clear gun of all time is my Sata 5000 RP 1.3 and it's non digital.

If you are interested in a Sata for clear or SS, then a RP is the one to choose. The HVLP Sata's do not spray clear/ss very well. A good choice would be 5000 RP 1.3 or x5500 RP 1.3 "O" nozzle.

Spraygunsdirect in the UK is the best place to purchase one ATM.
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Chris appreciate the info on the Sata's. Whats the spray distance on the Sata's? The LPH400 is approximate 4-5 inches so the spray pattern is only about 6 inches to the panel by watching it lay down. Thanks for the help!
 
shine said:
to clear it up i loved my iwata but i'm disabled now and cant hold it long enough doing large flat panels. i had to switch off to left handed halfway through the roof on the 56 so it's kinda fubared . insane how important your abdominal muscles are.
i dont do much now so may just suffer thru it. i do bikes now so not as bad.

by the way the iwata is sprayed 4-6in off panel . that is the hardest thing to learn .

think i will pick up another vaper 1.4 . hell the 2.0 i have shoots great.
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Shine you are correct the Iwata likes 4-6 inches off the panel and can be hard to be consistent. I wonder how many Iwata LPH400 owners shoot a test pattern 4 inches off the test paper? If they do the pattern width is not very wide or length. Maybe a lot of learning on this topic alone.
If I have my lights setup on each end I can watch it lay down and control the wet look by speed which as of the last couple weeks here is slow. If I just spray without the lights and go the speed I want to, it will not be wet enough. That's my evaluation of the gun so to speak.

Thanks for bringing this subject up I can use the help I am sure others can too!
 
the iwata is a strange gun. has a tulip fan at 4-6 inches. the 75% overlap was hardest for me. but i liked the slow and deliberate shooting before i was disabled. i'm going to pick up a 70 dollar vaper gun tomorrow and try it. my other one is excellent for shooting slicksand and such.
 
shine said:
the iwata is a strange gun. has a tulip fan at 4-6 inches. the 75% overlap was hardest for me. but i liked the slow and deliberate shooting before i was disabled. i'm going to pick up a 70 dollar vaper gun tomorrow and try it. my other one is excellent for shooting slicksand and such.
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Would you like to try my Devilbiss FLG-5? I'll ship it out tomorrow.
 
thanks! let me try this vaper. last one worked great. i may rebuild my pressure pot and use my old Develbiss hvlp on it. it may be too big. if not i have an jg to use.
 
Oh boy, I have a brand new LPH 400 I will be using in the near future based on the recommendations here. Im a newbie. Hope it works out LOL.
 
Donny said:
Oh boy, I have a brand new LPH 400 I will be using in the near future based on the recommendations here. Im a newbie. Hope it works out LOL.
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Don't take the chance. I'm sure you know you'll have to take a loss for what you paid for the gun but, I'm willing to help you out so you don't lose you a$$.

PM me your address and I'll send you $300 dollars.

Glad I could help!
 
MJM said:
Don't take the chance. I'm sure you know you'll have to take a loss for what you paid for the gun but, I'm willing to help you out so you don't lose you a$$.

PM me your address and I'll send you $300 dollars.

Glad I could help!
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WAHHHHHaaa
 
Sounds like a lot of my problems have been my failure to adapt to the close and slow shooting the Lph400 requires. Doesn’t sound like my 50% overlap was enough either. Maybe I need to try another gun for the next project that will work better with a faster pace, wider fan, and a little less overlap.
 
i got rid of my lph400's. i just found them to be too finicky. they have to be absolutely perfect to spray right. i did however use them for over 10 years for my base. they did the job and were just ok imo. now i dont shoot much base so i dont have a sata base gun to compare. my clear gun has always been a 3000rp with a 1.4. i love that gun. it lays down clear so nice and sprays great every time i grab it. never replaced a single part on it and it has to be 15 years old. well worth the price. the newer satas as mentioned do have more plastic consumable parts on them. i dont like that aspect of them but a grand for a tool that is used every day and will last you 10+ years is pretty reasonable in my book. with all that said you dont need to spend a grand on a new sata. the 1000b is a great gun. its like their workhorse but they dont really market it like the more expensive guns. last one i got new maybe 3 years back with an alum cup was around 500 bucks. its the same body as the 100b primer gun that i have had for 15 years. never had to replace a part on that one either.
 
Lot of guys baggin on the LPH400. Straight off the gun with an LPH400….. :). It’s a great gun imho. Especially if you panel paint like I do most of the time.

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