Can someone educate me (Valspar Base)

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82firebird

I have a friend who is getting their car painted. His shop is recommending Valspar paint. Upon closer inspection this was due to the cost more than anything "693 for PPG, 560.00 for Dupont, 256 for Valspar." He is leary because of the low price compared with PPG, Dupont, etc. but is not sure what to do. First I thought he was talking about interior wall paint. I have tried to research and found that it is mostly used for tractors and equipment. I told him I would ask the most knowledgable group of guys I know. Thank you.
 
I personally don't know anyone that has anything good to say about valspar...(other than hok products.)

What other options are there in the area? Chad S. on the board here sells prospray..
 
Google says Valspar = HOK, De Beers, & Valspar refinishing products.
 
The color is DuPont Pepper Grey Metallic with the emerald removed from it. Don't ask me why he didn't just stick with the DuPont brand to begin with. I can imagine it would be hard to match with Prospray but then again maybe I'm wrong. I know that Rusty has asked you Chad, and you said that you cannot match DuPont Pepper Grey with Prospray (as that is the color we are painting our car, but with no emerald removed).

I guess I just don't understand why the builder/painter is recommening it on a paint job he charges $10k for and literally there is nothing on the internet about the stuff. What am I missing? Hose job?
 
The only base they have i would use on a car like that if it was my car, is the debeers, that is a premium brand paint they bought about 10 years ago and it is an excellent base, I used it on my vette, then again the first gallon in 2009 cost me $800 and the last gallon I bought a few months ago was a 1200, it did a great.

I talk to 30-100 painters a day and I just have never even heard one recommend that base for a nice car and I have heard about everything on the tech line.

If I was paying the $10,000, I think me and the guy would be having a serious talk, way too many bases to choose from out there.

$566 does not sound like too much to me for a $10,000 job and that would be pretty close to the price of Debeers for that color.
 
Yea, I remember now, the dupont codes do not help me much, sometimes I wish I had a ppg and dupont computer here to reference. lol..

I didn't realize De Beers was that much, but I don't have any de beers around this area to compare to, I always assumed it was a good comparison to pro-spray, I do sometimes look at these paint colors and wonder why so much money for a gallon of paint, pro-spray would probably be about half of that and still be a great product, I get guys calling all the time mostly in reference to ppg saying how a local rep told them over 1 thousand for a gallon of paint, I just don't comprehend what is so special about what comes in that can to cost 1k.

That being said, I personally wouldn't put a low end product on anything I was working on, I have tried it a few times in the past and got burned, not saying it can't be done but I wouldn't put it on something I was spending 10k on.
 
Chad, why don't you get the Ford paint code to look up instead of a Dupont number?
 
Also put pepper gray in computer and it's coming up as a VW color. Is there something I am missing?
 
That's what I thought to. In the pro-spray line I do my best to steer customers away from my fleet deck just for this reason, it locks people into that one jobber or at least that one paint line, I don't like that just for the fact that it becomes harder to match in the future in a different line. Sure it has it's benefits to the jobber but I don't think it's wise to use those codes on a vehicle.

Although I do have to say that pro-spray fleet deck isn't that appealing in the first place, some of the other lines have more appealing decks.
As far as valspar itself, or it's fleet deck I know absolutely nothing, I don't even think i've ever sprayed it. Nor debeers.
 
82firebird;16415 said:
The color is DuPont Pepper Grey Metallic with the emerald removed from it. Don't ask me why he didn't just stick with the DuPont brand to begin with. I can imagine it would be hard to match with Prospray but then again maybe I'm wrong. I know that Rusty has asked you Chad, and you said that you cannot match DuPont Pepper Grey with Prospray (as that is the color we are painting our car, but with no emerald removed).

I guess I just don't understand why the builder/painter is recommening it on a paint job he charges $10k for and literally there is nothing on the internet about the stuff. What am I missing? Hose job?
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I just read this again, have you not started to paint? What if you found something similar in a factory color? Like I stated above if you go with a fleet color you will be kinda limited to that line in the future.
 
i can tell you this. i would refuse the job if told i had to use it. that is car lot at best. debeers is not bad but valspar sucks. no different than omni .
 
Chad.S;16423 said:
Also put pepper gray in computer and it's coming up as a VW color. Is there something I am missing?
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I don't know if this will help? It seems people always have a difficult time matching the Dupont. We know guys who have thought they've matched it in PPG, they see the color and its not even close. We have looked at other colors that are close but nothing nails it like the original Dupont 44435.

Body - Pepper Grey Metallic - Dupont Fleet 44490
Stripes - Black Metallic - Dupont Fleet 44435

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I would think we could get close but as you say it may be hard to get a dead on match. that being said I sent what you messaged to pro-spray.
 
be this helps;

RM Glasurit 55
Black – CMXM1737A / 171707 (stock#)
Grey – CMXM1287U / 610191 (stock#)
 
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