1969 Plymouth Barracuda Restoration Thread

Looking good.
A coupla comments.

Too many drops of rod too often. Travel about 5/16" before dropping another blob.
You can draw little lines with your sharpie every 1/4" or 5/16" and when the tungsten gets there, drop a blob.
This will get you used to placing a drop at even intervals.
Check backside for penetration.

Your weld looks a little cold (or fast, or too much rod) at places.

Hammer on dolly after tacking to get the two pieces dead on flush with each other before welding.

Do not wire wheel you HAZ before clean up. The HAZ will indicate the only place you're allowed to stretch. Do not knock outside of it.

Try the T shape weld with some thinner sheet metal.

Also, a good way to practice is to tack pieces together at two ends, but leave a gap all the way along between them. It will help to learn about adding rod when you run into a real world welding problem.
You need to know how to fill a gap before starting a project.
 
Practice only helps when I practice correctly :)
I've been getting good advise from you guys and it's paying off. It's funny you brought up robotic motion. Today I actually experienced that action for a brief moment. Robotic motion is what I'll be working on tomorrow, as well as cup angle.

I have a long way to go but, I feel as though I've broken thru a barrier to which I can now start refining the quality of the weld. Stay tuned for some pretty stacked dime welds tomorrow ;)
Your welds look pretty good. They just have to work--that's it--no winning a beauty contest. Try a 1/16" tungsten and use any small MIG carbon steel wire you have. I think you might like that on 19 or 20 gauge.

The quality of your weld only has to meet/exceed how you intend to use it. @ wore-out welder has given some good advice about motion--the more uniform rhythm you can be the faster you can weld with the least amount of heat input. You want to sequence weld deposits to act in your favor and keep in mind the concept of "fixing" a weld start in the highest restraint place then work towards "free points" alternating deposits outward in sequence via symmetry from your first fixed point if possible. Don't weld into a corner if you can avoid it--start there and work back out and try to end a weld on a weld.

"Walking the cup" makes a huge difference. Your heat lines are a way wide in comparison to the automatic machine sample below. That's as close to a robotic weld as you're going to get and that could be regarded as perhaps the most idealized set of welding parameters. That was done in a six segment program I wrote for the programable power source at about 130-145 amps and using a 3/32" tungsten except for the last segment where the weld slows down and tails out. I changed pulsing frequency and width duration time over the course of the segments in my favor-but kept travel speed constant after it punched through on starting. That tube sample is double the thickness of your sheet metal one--about the same length of weld and likely way more amperage you than you used and the heat lines are less than a 3/16" or so into the base metal. The ones on the ends of the tube are from the hot cut-off saw--I was too lazy to use the bandsaw to cut it down so I could photograph the inside. It's all about uniformity and symmetry in the weld deposit punching thru and solidifying as you move forward in synchrony. Such ideas can be applied to manual welding--to help offset the usual problems. But the act of welding and how to use it is a whole other matter. You have to be able to determine what end result you want--welding is just one part of problem in metal joining. You have to be able to access how to remedy the negative issues welding can leave. Sometimes it creates more than it solves and then its sorting it out backwards. Dry Ice is often a way out.

I do some automatic tig work on 2" OD tubing both carbon and stainless at about 0.130" wall or thereabouts. Essentially you square the ends of the tubes to within 0.005" square--butt them together tight in the welding head and press the machine button attached to a power source for a automatic deposit not using any filler metal. It's called an autogenous weld. And in this case--the weld starts and ends on itself.

The sample in my hand was x-rayed and is flawless internally and externally. I cut it down from it's 1' sample length to take some pictures of the inside surface. The external weld surface is flush with the tube's outside or proud by a few thousandths--it is not concave--it is flat or slightly reinforced. The inside has root penetration all the way around. Looks as good on the inside as out. The weld didn't "shrink"--it "expanded" and gained volume with no addition of filler metal. The tube wall remains constant in thickness all the way down the welded sample length--What happened? The overall length of the 1' length of sample contracted in overall length because it was free to do so with no restraining forces. This only was this way because the weld started and stopped on itself--that length was fixed unable to change in circumference length.

Look at your sheet metal welded sample, free to move around on your support when you welded it. If you started welding at one end and ended at the other--even though they are tacked together--the end where you stopped welding is likely no longer straight across-it is a bit shorter when you check for square with the long edges with a combination square. You may also find the width in the very center is less across the welded piece than when you started. That's what feeds your thickening of the weld and its increase in volume--regardless of if you used filler metal. When something thickens and gains volume--something else moves and contracts. If there are restraining forces beyond that which is elastic--than something stretches and thins. It's often nowhere near the weld. In my business-- it can be 50' away. Planishing isn't always the answer when the elastic limit of a metal is exceeded.



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Looking good.
A coupla comments.

Too many drops of rod too often. Travel about 5/16" before dropping another blob. (Will do that tomorrow, very helpful tip )
You can draw little lines with your sharpie every 1/4" or 5/16" and when the tungsten gets there, drop a blob.
This will get you used to placing a drop at even intervals.
Check backside for penetration.

Your weld looks a little cold (or fast, or too much rod) at places. Good eye, you are correct, I'm getting that from traveling to fast with a tad to much filler rod. Since I can't adjust amps via a foot pedal, I learned last week that I can adjust my speed (moving faster from about the middle of the weld to the end of the weld before I over heat the metal. I also learned from DAT filler helps cool the weld. I just over did it with the filler with the speed I was dabbing.

Hammer on dolly after tacking to get the two pieces dead on flush with each other before welding.
Good call, that one I did, lol

Do not wire wheel you HAZ before clean up. The HAZ will indicate the only place you're allowed to stretch. Do not knock outside of it. Okay, that was excellent advise !!!

Try the T shape weld with some thinner sheet metal. Will do that tomorrow.

Also, a good way to practice is to tack pieces together at two ends, but leave a gap all the way along between them. It will help to learn about adding rod when you run into a real world welding problem.
You need to know how to fill a gap before starting a project. This one sounds
challenging. Thanks for pushing me to learn.

Excellent suggestions and advise Pugsy. Got side tracked today and didn't get any tig weld practice in. Ran errands, which included getting argon for the tig welder.

See my responses highlighted in Red above.

Thanks again, brother!
 
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Your welds look pretty good. They just have to work--that's it--no winning a beauty contest. Try a 1/16" tungsten ( purchased 1/16"x7" 2% Thoriated tungsten today at my local welding store when getting argon. They didn't have 1/16" 2% Lanthanated tungsten but, I ordered it from amazon when I got home, should be here this weekend. I'll use the 1/16" Thoriated for now, I'll wear a respirator when grinding the tip, otherwise my wife will be pissed if I come into the house, glowing....LOL ) and use any small MIG carbon steel wire you have. I think you might like that on 19 or 20 gauge ( will use that tomorrow and will post an update with pictures )

The quality of your weld only has to meet/exceed how you intend to use it. @ wore-out welder has given some good advice about motion--the more uniform rhythm you can be the faster you can weld with the least amount of heat input. As you already know, and I know Pugsy and Wornoutwelder already knows, one of my complaints has been too much heat build up, especially from mid point of my welds, to the end of my welds due to not having a foot pedal to control amps. What you, Pugsy and Wornoutwelder already know, is heat can be controlled without foot pedal amps, simply by speeding up and adding filler. I figured that out after you told me quench cools the weld. That method/procedure is what advanced my learning curve this week. It was a major hurdle for me. Now I have to get my rhythm so I'm not too slow adding filler (cold weld) or not adding enough filler ( hot weld ) You want to sequence weld deposits to act in your favor and keep in mind the concept of "fixing" a weld start in the highest restraint place then work towards "free points" alternating deposits outward in sequence via symmetry from your first fixed point if possible. Don't weld into a corner if you can avoid it--start there and work back out and try to end a weld on a weld (understood)

"Walking the cup" makes a huge difference. Your heat lines are a way wide in comparison to the automatic machine sample below. That's as close to a robotic weld as you're going to get and that could be regarded as perhaps the most idealized set of welding parameters. That was done in a six segment program I wrote for the programable power source at about 130-145 amps and using a 3/32" tungsten except for the last segment where the weld slows down and tails out. I changed pulsing frequency and width duration time over the course of the segments in my favor-but kept travel speed constant after it punched through on starting. That tube sample is double the thickness of your sheet metal one--about the same length of weld and likely way more amperage you than you used and the heat lines are less than a 3/16" or so into the base metal. The ones on the ends of the tube are from the hot cut-off saw--I was too lazy to use the bandsaw to cut it down so I could photograph the inside. It's all about uniformity and symmetry in the weld deposit punching thru and solidifying as you move forward in synchrony. Such ideas can be applied to manual welding--to help offset the usual problems. But the act of welding and how to use it is a whole other matter. You have to be able to determine what end result you want--welding is just one part of problem in metal joining. You have to be able to access how to remedy the negative issues welding can leave. Sometimes it creates more than it solves and then its sorting it out backwards. Dry Ice is often a way out.

I do some automatic tig work on 2" OD tubing both carbon and stainless at about 0.130" wall or thereabouts. Essentially you square the ends of the tubes to within 0.005" square--butt them together tight in the welding head and press the machine button attached to a power source for a automatic deposit not using any filler metal. It's called an autogenous weld. And in this case--the weld starts and ends on itself.

The sample in my hand was x-rayed and is flawless internally and externally. I cut it down from it's 1' sample length to take some pictures of the inside surface. The external weld surface is flush with the tube's outside or proud by a few thousandths--it is not concave--it is flat or slightly reinforced. The inside has root penetration all the way around. Looks as good on the inside as out. The weld didn't "shrink"--it "expanded" and gained volume with no addition of filler metal. The tube wall remains constant in thickness all the way down the welded sample length--What happened? The overall length of the 1' length of sample contracted in overall length because it was free to do so with no restraining forces. This only was this way because the weld started and stopped on itself--that length was fixed unable to change in circumference length.

Look at your sheet metal welded sample, free to move around on your support when you welded it. If you started welding at one end and ended at the other--even though they are tacked together--the end where you stopped welding is likely no longer straight across-it is a bit shorter when you check for square with the long edges with a combination square. You may also find the width in the very center is less across the welded piece than when you started. That's what feeds your thickening of the weld and its increase in volume--regardless of if you used filler metal. When something thickens and gains volume--something else moves and contracts. If there are restraining forces beyond that which is elastic--than something stretches and thins. It's often nowhere near the weld. In my business-- it can be 50' away. Planishing isn't always the answer when the elastic limit of a metal is exceeded.
( I'm still processing your last four paragraphs. Don't want to speak about something I'm not sure about in my mind yet )


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See my responses in Red,

Thanks for the help, DAT !!!

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What do you do on a cold snowy day?....... Turn on the garage heater and practice tig welding :)
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First up is tig welding using 1/16" tungsten and .035 mig wire. Cut some mig wire off a 2lb spool, then chucked one end of the wire in a hand held drill, and the other end in a vise. Slowly turning the wire to introduce tension.

.035 mig wire rods
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Practice running beads concentrating on rhythm and speed. 1/16" tungsten, 0.35 mig wire.
Front side cleaned up
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HAZ looking even and straight
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......continued next reply below vvv
 
I have a weird analogy.
Imagine caulking …as a beginner.
I was slow and had irregularities.
The guy I worked with said “ hit it and get it”

Thin stuff has little mass and heat spreads rapidly
So to reduce the HAZ zone you’ll need to achieve a liquidus state quicker and travel at a quicker rate.
I personally think 0.065 filler will be easier to manage…even if it seems counter intuitive.
It’s just a matter of being able to “ read “ the input relative to the weld area, and adjust to find that amperage input/ rod feed/ travel speed harmony.
I’m not criticizing your progress by any means.
My first few months led to depths of disbelief and that I was going to get fired from something that I was certain I could do.
It will come with time and you’ll be very satisfied that it did
 
I have a weird analogy.
Imagine caulking …as a beginner.
I was slow and had irregularities.
The guy I worked with said “ hit it and get it”

Thin stuff has little mass and heat spreads rapidly
So to reduce the HAZ zone you’ll need to achieve a liquidus state quicker and travel at a quicker rate.
I personally think 0.065 filler will be easier to manage…even if it seems counter intuitive.
It’s just a matter of being able to “ read “ the input relative to the weld area, and adjust to find that amperage input/ rod feed/ travel speed harmony.
I’m not criticizing your progress by any means.
My first few months led to depths of disbelief and that I was going to get fired from something that I was certain I could do.
It will come with time and you’ll be very satisfied that it did

I don't think you're criticizing, I think you're trying to help me, and I appreciate that. With that being said, I'm headed out to the garage to throw all my welding equipment in the street.

I was using 30 amps for the 19 gauge which mic'd out at .041 thousands. I'm going to up the amps to 40 and pick up the pace.

Thank you for the suggestions.
 
Look at Jody's welding tips and tricks.
Jody has a no nonsense straight up presentation,
(Although there’s the occasional commercial)
and a lot of good clear visual information
I might have already mentioned that….my memory ain’t what it’s supposed to be.
 
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There was a delay for the new swingout door bars due to BACK ORDERED parts :mad:

Received the 1.75 x 7' x 0.120 wall tubing three days after ordering on 1-8-24. Clevises where backorder until end of March but they arrived today. I was worried they might get damaged during shipping ( nicked or gouged ) as this was the number one complaint from reviews that I read but, they look very nice. The clevises are CNC machined from 1018 alloy billet steel.

I've already cut the 6"x6"x1/8" plates and formed them to the floor pan. They're ready to be welded in.

Now that I have everything, I can get back to work on the car. More updates coming ;)

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Okay, back in the game......batter up !!!

So far so good, taking my time and measuring twice and cutting once, lol

6"x6"x1/8" steel plate formed to floor pan. The notch down the middle was done to help bend the plate. Once the plate was bent to shape, I welded and dress the notch.
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Backer plate and vertical post 1.75 x 0.120 wall.
I liked the look doing this way vs cutting the door bar at an angle to the floor pan.
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Tig welded the vertical post to backer plate. Capped vertical post with 1/8" plate, tig welded / welds dressed. Notched door bar and test fitted from vertical post to main hoop.
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Side view of door bar. Top of door bar at main hoop not seen from outside of car.
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Tomorrow I'll mig weld the backer plate to floor pan, tig weld door bar to vertical post, and tig weld door bar at main hoop. Then I'll cut out the door bar to install the clevises. Clevises will be tig welded in.
 
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Almost done with the drivers side. Tomorrow is make or break day, tig welding the clevises. The tig welds have to look at least halfway decent or all the work will be just subpar, functional but subpar if the tig welds look like sh$!

Outside view
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Inside view
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Tig welded door bar stubby at main hoop. Clevises tig tac'd at main hoop. Tomorrow tig weld clevises completely.
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Lower clevis, and floor pan post with backer plate. Originally my intent was to fully weld the 6"x6"x1/8" backer plate but decided to make another backer plate for the bottom of the floor pan and sandwich the floor pan using four 3/8" x 1" grade 8 bolts. This is perfectly legal per NHRA for 8 point roll bars. The reason for bolting it in are obvious.
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Door bar in the open position
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Door bar parallel to door after "fine tuning" the clevis. That is as far as the door bar will swing open so it'll never hit the door.
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I've decided to open up a Swing Out Door Bar business. With a little more practice on other people's cars, I might be able to classify myself as the go too swing out door bar guy. PM me for pricing and my shop address. okay I don't have a shop, I work out of my garage :)

All kidding aside, this was an interesting fabrication. Not overly complex, yet challenging enough to test my abilities.
 
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That's friggen awesome.
Crawling over that bar is what turned me offa cages the most. That makes it livable.

I hear ya brother. My days of being flexible are all but over.

Hell back in the day this is how I could get in a car with a fixed door bar :D......if I tried that today, after I got out of the emergency room, I'd be fixing a drivers door dent....lol
 
Got a late start today. Had to take wife to emergency, somehow she's got covid so, I was tending to her needs most of the day.

There's obviously room for improvement but, I'm getting better at tig welding. This is actually the very first tig weld I've done on this car.

Clevises tig welded
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Top clevis tig welded
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Today I started ripping out the carpet and jute (sp) matting. Also started cleaning up the contact cement used for the jute matting. Getting those interior panels ready for SPI epoxy.

Old carpet and jute matting removed. Cleaning up the contact cement
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Funny, coming right up on my agenda is gluing down jute and carpet.
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Mike the upholstery guy sourced the materials for me and asked how I was going to glue it down.
I said I would use 3M aerosol glue.
He frowned and said to go buy a HF spray gun and would give me a pint of Weldwood Landau glue and I could just toss the gun when done.
 
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