Welding Rod

As already stated I didn't know about SB until about a year ago, but a lot of what I thought was brass, is actually SB. I have been playing around with it a little and I like it.

This guy lives in Lansing Mi and they did have a fisher body plant there, but it closed about 10 years ago. He could also be talking about the Cadillac Fisher Body plant in Detroit that closed about 30 years ago.


Re: MIG Silicon Bronze?

Quote "Silicon Bronze takes less heat input and shrinks less so it works great for welding panels and since Silicon Bronze is Copper and Tin, paints, fillers, and powdercoats adhere very well."

Yup.
All the welding robots doing MIG on body panel assys' in the GM plant I worked in were welding with Silicon Bronze wire.

In the old Fisher Body plant, they had a booth the bodies would travel thru & some of the panel welding was done by hand (with SB), then ground smooth by workers in those booths wearing full suitup gear & supplied air full coverage helmets.

It was a horrid job.

This guy gives his location as Central Michigan

Re: MIG Silicon Bronze?

i bought silicon-bronze mig equipment for the ford assembly plants to replace gas brazing back in the late 60's . these were short welds (about 1/2") where the roof joined the a-pillars and the rear window qtr panel joint.also where the upper-back panel wrapped into the rear window opening and the deck lid opening.
http://weldingweb.com/showthread.php?37770-MIG-Silicon-Bronze

This is from the Aurora story by Bloomberg BusinessWeek

SEAMLESS FIT.
The manufacturing engineers used the time to devise solutions to some tricky problems. Resolving a dispute about how to attach the Aurora's roof to the rear quarter panel required flexibility and cooperation that have been rare at GM. Burke and his designers wanted a smooth, flowing line where the two parts met. But Masch's engineers didn't want to use conventional welding to join the two pieces--that would require putting a big hole in the frame for the welder to reach through, weakening the rigid structure. Instead, the engineers suggested a new manufacturing process they had already been tinkering with. They devised a way for robots to spray molten silicon bronze smoothly into the roof seam. To make sure the tricky technique was worked out by Aurora's launch, the -----@--------- plant pioneered it in 1992 on other Olds and Buick cars.
http://www.businessweek.com/stories/1994-03-20/gms-aurora
 
Just finished repairing door edges on a Chevelle last week, used 1/8 welding rod for the tig.. Works great, but time consuming if you have a lot to do.
 
I just use mild steel tig rod. I had to do it to fill some factory seems and body lines
 
rustover;36277 said:
I'm probably about to get flamed for this, but I watched this video this week about this very same thing. I guess this is the other option. What is your opinion on this video. I know a lot of people run from it because of the edges are weak areas for paint. Start at the 3:42 marker on the vid.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wamlWA7L-fA


Rustover, please don't consider this a flame as your link serves well to show others what to look out for, what not to do.... So thanks for adding it to the discussion. But I would take any video from or sponsored by Eastwood with a grain of salt. I've seen far too many that show using substandard or incorrect methods all in the interest of promoting their next new widget or product. The video in your link is no exception, filler on any opening is at risk for delamination or falling off, especially if that panel bumps another object (door edge), the filler will soon be cracking off.



I have used a mig welder to correct door gaps, as shown:

Here is a car plagued by the door fitting too tight to the A pillar behind the windshield. In looking at this bare door, it had about 1/16 gap at the top, sure to chip and rub paint during road travel.


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It was marked to provide a gap consistent with the other door edges, and the front edge ground down to that mark.


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This now shows three layers of metal on the leading edge, the outer skin, the inner door, and the folded flange.


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The layers are gently held together and tack welded.....


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...followed by welding along the complete length.


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The front edge, then back edge was sanded flat, then the weld beads sanded flat to provide the correct gap.


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This repair should provide much better clearance to prevent any paint damage..... The same process (minus cutting) can be used to correct wider than normal gaps, welding along the edge to build up the panel and trimming to get a consistent width to the other gaps.


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