Valspar Lvbr100 or Nason ful-than base?

Brad J.

Oldtimer
These are the two around me that have the correct color. I'm doing sprayouts right now. The Valspar will need a 4th coat and the Nason will do it in 3. I tried to convert to Standox and DBC but they colors didn't convert worth a crap.

Any experiences with these. I usually avoid Nason but the color is right and I painted the wheels with it a couple years ago. I was trying to upgrade to Debeers but he got me Valspar for some reason that I wasn't paying close attention. Something about the pigments needed to make an old color.

Thanks, Brad
 

Barry

Paint Fanatic
Staff member
Yes on the experience per lots of calls.
Nason hands down, no if's or but's.
 

maumau

Promoted Users
Valspar lvbr100 solvent is better for color matches...however, i agree, it has poor coverage on occasions, lots of binders in these paints.

Automotive Art Motobase is superb for coverage and quality, however, color matches are not always on point, but it is one of the best solvent paints for complete paint jobs.

Debeer is superb paint line, both in solvent and waterbased, Dutch company bought by Valspar, outstanding colors, matches and clear coats are top notch at half the price of some other brands, yet perform just as good...
 

Bartman

Member
I had a Valspar system in my shop and I wouldn't touch that junk again with a 10 foot pole. I've sprayed all of the formally Dupont line including Nason, all of the BASF lines, all of the PPG lines. 30 years in business. I've had mixing systems in my shop: PPG DBC, Diamont and glasurit, Sikkens, Prospray, UTECH, Wanda, Valspar. I've had MIPA for the last 2 years. I would buy raw pigment off of ebay and mix it with hardware store lacquer before I spray valspar again......
 

maumau

Promoted Users
i have sprayed many lines, we had DBC solvent before waterborne rules, it was pretty good...

i dont have any paint mixing systems in my shop now, the color matching is getting difficult and expensive and Valspar solvent helps to save me money, that is my point.....

many times Valspar is on point and blendable and matches Envirobase pretty close, as long as i can get away with it, blend it and send it, i am happy.....

it is getting difficult to get correct color matches in solvent paints these days....
 

Chris_Hamilton

Trying to be the best me, I can be
@maumau Give Cromax Mosaic a try. It's compliant solvent based basecoat and it has excellent color match. Probably as good as any system I've used and like Bartman I've sprayed most of them. Used it for over three years probably 1500 jobs (late model collision stuff) and never had a color that I couldn't at the very least blend. Very user friendly system and excellent documentation. Enter the VIN and the software almost always chooses the correct variant. Good quality stuff with none of the issues that Valspar has. Worth looking into.
 

Brad J.

Oldtimer
Thanks for all the info. I ended up getting 2 gallons of Nason after Barry's recommendation. I'm doing a 68' jade gold GM color and our local finishmaster said Nason was the only line they could get it in. I've done a lot of cars with chromabase and never had a problem but some of the tints used in the formula were discontinued. Tried to convert to Standox and PPG but the color didn't come out the same as the nason spray card. Not even close and I want an easilly repeatable formula.

I tried to get a mobile jobber to get me Debeers in that color and he came back with this valspar stuff. Coverage was terrible. I really struggle getting colors around here. Once finishmaster bought out our local jobber the customer service isn't their anymore.
 

Bartman

Member
i have sprayed many lines, we had DBC solvent before waterborne rules, it was pretty good...

i dont have any paint mixing systems in my shop now, the color matching is getting difficult and expensive and Valspar solvent helps to save me money, that is my point.....

many times Valspar is on point and blendable and matches Envirobase pretty close, as long as i can get away with it, blend it and send it, i am happy.....

it is getting difficult to get correct color matches in solvent paints these days....

My largest issue with valspar was not color match or spraying. We repair a lot of trucks and suvs. We had a nearly 50% failure rate where a vehicle had dually fenders or flares. Those areas would get a little wrinkle at the contact point. From there the basecoat would razor blade off. Second we have repeat customers and when it was sprayed with valspar we had a high peel rate when removing 2 sided tape. Never ever in 30 years seen any failure rates that high. It was basecoat failure. Valspar of course blamed our use of SPI. But I'm not stupid, when peeled, there was base left on the car and base on the part peeled off. That tells me base stuck to primer and clear stuck to base. Then we did about 20 cars with all valspar. 4 of them duallys and all 4 wrinkled where the dually fender made contact with the fender. Jobber answer was to spray those with PPG........
 

maumau

Promoted Users
Chris, i dont have a supplier for that type of paint....when in doubt, i always go to PPG Envirobase...

Bartman , i really havent seen that failure on the jobs that i have done..however, i wil pay more attention next time i get a car that i painted with Valspar and do a test to see how it behaves in some hidden area...

that is a big issue, no wonder you quit using it...

and as i get older, the solvent smell and solvent reducer is starting to "bother" me, just that odour.....slowly i want to phase it out, but cost savings are huge, we are talking thousands at the end of year...

i have had some failure with paint on the bumpers using Envirobase, but that was my mistake, i think i used 1K primer under and sanded with too fine a grit.....
 

Brad J.

Oldtimer
Nason worked good. Sensitive to final dust coat though. Always sprayed chromabase and standox in the past for metallics and they are a lot more forgiving to stripping and blotching.
 

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