'68 Coronet R/T
Oldtimer
ADTKART;9004 said:
Are materials extra for the body repair or do they increase the hours sufficiently to cover that?
Small bodyshop guys
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Are materials extra for the body repair or do they increase the hours sufficiently to cover that?
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ADTKART
Orange.... remember that the materials that you use, even if they are sitting there, still cost you money, and should be charged for.
"68".... The body materials are considered part of the cost of doing the body labor and not charged for separately. It used to be that shops were paid additional for them, but it was minimal, like $1 per body hour. Now the insurance companies refuse to pay it. Since the body shops are owned by "jellyfish" the insurance companies do what ever they want.
Barry.... That is why they can write only 9 hours on a roof. Now if I could only find a business that I could walk into and demand to get what I want, exactly how I want it, at the price I want to pay!
Aaron
"68".... The body materials are considered part of the cost of doing the body labor and not charged for separately. It used to be that shops were paid additional for them, but it was minimal, like $1 per body hour. Now the insurance companies refuse to pay it. Since the body shops are owned by "jellyfish" the insurance companies do what ever they want.
Barry.... That is why they can write only 9 hours on a roof. Now if I could only find a business that I could walk into and demand to get what I want, exactly how I want it, at the price I want to pay!
Aaron
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dbohemian
orangejuiced86;9027 said:
Family members get the bro deal.....Just an extra 25% added on top.
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ADTKART
One advantage of not doing collision work at home. I tell family that I am not set-up for that kind of stuff. Also have too much stuff here to do.
Aaron
Aaron
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ADTKART
Chad.... I don't know how they are there, as everywhere things are done differently, but here I would rather deal with them. They don't require the shops to use aftermarket parts, except things like chrome bumpers, radiators, condensors, and I think some othe mechanical parts. The other companies live and breathe aftermarket parts, and will blame ths shop if they don't fit right.
Aaron
Aaron
ADTKART;9241 said:
Here just 10 years ago, any shop would just wish ST Farm would not walk in door and shops called them every name in the book.
After the two law suits one for aftermarket parts and the one for steering to drp shops, they are now the best to deal with.
Now everyone hates Nationwide, geico and progressive, in this area.
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ADTKART
Here now SF is not so bad.
Nationwide will require the use of Aftermarket parts on a brand new car that was parked on the showroom and hit by a drunk driver. They don't care. The shop has to complete the job and try to deliver the vehicle with the ill fitting parts on it. If the customer complains, you have to call the adjuster to get the OK to change them to OEM. By then the customer is so pissed off that they will never be satisfied. This is aftert dealing with their "formula" to determine how long will be allowed for repairs and rental car.
Progressive here only hires good looking young women that know nothing about cars. They are trained by progressive people to ignore damage and that the shops always demand twice the time for repair as is justified. They will always cut the times that you have on supplements in half when they come out, and say that it is subject to review by their supervisor that is not even there. They then fax a different supplement with half the time that they gave you in the first place, saying that it is what their supervisor approved. Management figures that the males in the shops are less likely to argue with a good looking young female that doesn't know what they are doing.
Geico simply assigns someone to the shop full time. They watch everything that the shop does. The ones that have been assigned to the shop I work at have the shop look over the vehicles that are towed in and write basic estimates. They then take that estimate and cut it all to hell. They like to go on CAR-Part.com and write for the cheaper, damaged used parts. The shops have a choice of either trying to get a discount for the damage, or just fix it for free.
I am not crazy about any of them!
Aaron
Nationwide will require the use of Aftermarket parts on a brand new car that was parked on the showroom and hit by a drunk driver. They don't care. The shop has to complete the job and try to deliver the vehicle with the ill fitting parts on it. If the customer complains, you have to call the adjuster to get the OK to change them to OEM. By then the customer is so pissed off that they will never be satisfied. This is aftert dealing with their "formula" to determine how long will be allowed for repairs and rental car.
Progressive here only hires good looking young women that know nothing about cars. They are trained by progressive people to ignore damage and that the shops always demand twice the time for repair as is justified. They will always cut the times that you have on supplements in half when they come out, and say that it is subject to review by their supervisor that is not even there. They then fax a different supplement with half the time that they gave you in the first place, saying that it is what their supervisor approved. Management figures that the males in the shops are less likely to argue with a good looking young female that doesn't know what they are doing.
Geico simply assigns someone to the shop full time. They watch everything that the shop does. The ones that have been assigned to the shop I work at have the shop look over the vehicles that are towed in and write basic estimates. They then take that estimate and cut it all to hell. They like to go on CAR-Part.com and write for the cheaper, damaged used parts. The shops have a choice of either trying to get a discount for the damage, or just fix it for free.
I am not crazy about any of them!
Aaron
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ADTKART
Here the vehicle owner has the right to have their vehicle repaired where ever they want. The vehicle does belong to them and not the insurance company. The problem is that the shop management will bend over and kiss the insurance co's south side for the work. They accept whatever the ins co will give them. Years ago when I was a shop estimator I had a run in with a Progressive adjuster. I simply called the vehicle owner and told them what was needed to repair their car. I told them that the insurance company was refusing to pay for the required repair and suggested they either call the adjuster and straighten them out or call their lawyer. Got the problem straightened out real quickly.
If I owned a shop I would not deal with the insurance company at all. It would be between me and the vehicle owner. They would have to get reimbursed from the company on their own. Kind of like doctor's offices do. Your doctor doesn't have to accept what the insurance company wants to pay. They simply bill you for whatever the company doesn't pay.
Try going to a local restaurant and tell them what you are going to pay for your meal. Tell them that their price is too high. Probably work real good with your plumber too.
Aaron
If I owned a shop I would not deal with the insurance company at all. It would be between me and the vehicle owner. They would have to get reimbursed from the company on their own. Kind of like doctor's offices do. Your doctor doesn't have to accept what the insurance company wants to pay. They simply bill you for whatever the company doesn't pay.
Try going to a local restaurant and tell them what you are going to pay for your meal. Tell them that their price is too high. Probably work real good with your plumber too.
Aaron
shine
Member
the cars i do can not be taken to a bodyshop . not long ago state farm rejected an estimate for a 41 ford that had burned under the dash. i told them to pick up the car and pay my estimate fee and 4 days storage. they sent out the head hunter and i sent him on his way. 3 days latter they wrote the owner a check. every call they made got them a dial tone. streetrod/burned .... good bye . screw ins co's it's your shop . they have to pay or take it up with the owner.
crashtech
Combo Man & Mod
I think I have it easy here because I rarely work for the major insurance companies, probably because they steer it all to their DRPs. Well, they can have it! I prefer working for the smaller insurance companies, they seem to do a better job. Farm Bureau in particular is a really good local Idaho insurer, all I need to do is take pictures, write an estimate, and email it all to the inside adjustor. They send my estimate to an auditing firm to make sure there aren't any procedural errors, then send it back to me with any changes. Most of the time they are minor, or "good as written", which has gained me many gold stars, lol.
Three months after opening my shop, I switched to Farm Bureau, and I tell anyone who will listen how well they treat their customers and claimants alike. Just like in the paint business, the majors suck. To me, Farm Bureau is the SPI of the insurance industry. Too bad they can't ship their product, lol.
Three months after opening my shop, I switched to Farm Bureau, and I tell anyone who will listen how well they treat their customers and claimants alike. Just like in the paint business, the majors suck. To me, Farm Bureau is the SPI of the insurance industry. Too bad they can't ship their product, lol.
strum456;9336 said:
I have never heard the name mentioned but I do know I have talked to a number of shops that have done cars for Haggerty and the feed back has all been the same.
The shops love them! One guy told me he wish all the work he did was for Hargerty and if they had enough work to keep him busy, he would tell all the other insurance companies to take a hike.
Do you know they have their own department that specialize in finding and know where to look, used or new replacement parts, they buy them and ship to the shop.
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ADTKART
Barry.... What amazes me about them is that, according to the people that I have talked to, their prices are not bad at all.
Aaron
Aaron