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One of my favorite sayings is "When there's a problem, the first thing you fix is the blame!" LOL
 
Of course the boss didn't like anything that will increase his costs, no matter how much he is making. Last week our boss held a shop meeting. He decided that all cars should be blown off before they go to paint or clean up. He told the paint crew that the cars should be blown off before going in the booth. Said he doesn't want them blown off inside the booth as he just had new filters installed. He'll get tired of the trash eventually.

Aaron
 
Normally when the temp is high and the paint is cold, it would be more pron to die-back and solvent pop, or an advanced pop that looks like a fish-eye.

Now something that is not so common north of the mason dixion line but in this case could be an issue, that dirt may not be dirt, may be ISO clumping.
Everything must be just right for this to happen but if he normally turns out clean work in that booth, the cold paint could be causing this, the specks can be Black, Gray or White.

If on the FIRST coat of clear, let say he paints 1/2 the hood and it laid down clean, as he is painting the other half of hood, he starts seeing dirt pop up on the other side, that is ISO clumping as dirt does not grow in a clear or come up from the bottom.
 
Barry, I spoke to you a while back about iso clumping and he does get that some in the spring but mostly in the summer. It does look like dirt which he does also get but I know its not, the tiny little specs are to consistant in size to be dirt. I keep trying to tell the detailer that its not dirt, I think I may have him convinced. And Shine about the acme clear, I can't stand the crap our shop owner told us to start using it to cut costs. Hey its his name on the line not mine.
 
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Shine.... that's a simple one. There are more and more shops now days that are owned by college boys that know nothing about doing the work, they simply wanted to buy a business and make it rich. They come in and start cutting costs, like they were taught in college. We all know that paint and bodywork products are all the same, just some are more expensive than others. That means that they can change to the cheaper priced stuff and get the same results for less money. When the quality goes to crap, it is because of the workers.

Aaron
 
ADTKART;13659 said:
Shine.... that's a simple one. There are more and more shops now days that are owned by college boys that know nothing about doing the work, they simply wanted to buy a business and make it rich. They come in and start cutting costs, like they were taught in college. We all know that paint and bodywork products are all the same, just some are more expensive than others. That means that they can change to the cheaper priced stuff and get the same results for less money. When the quality goes to crap, it is because of the workers.

Aaron
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Sounds like you nailed this one.
 
I know of a shop that just changed from a top line paint line to Nason primer and clear in order to save money. The primer should help make money. It says 10 min flash and 2-3 hour dry to sand, and means it. The owner already has made comments about the body men's tools taking up too much space, so don't think it would be good to bring in heat lamps. Great for a high vehicle count production shop!

Aaron
 
SPI 2100 production clear cost less then Nason and will kick its ass any day!

all of SPI primers are top of the line as well and cost is minimal.


why don't these shops use these products instead of the other junk?

they can save a ton of money and still have the very best Quality products.

just dont make sense to me.Travis
 
They still have that mentality that there is no way a smaller company like spi can make products better than these billion dollar companies, even their 3rd or 4th lines. I guess they forget these billion dollar companies didn't start out as that?

OH yea I forgot...you pay for those warranties and services that are built into their BIG price. What a joke...I've been using SPI for almost 2 years now and the service I've recieved is 10x what I recieved from the company I was using. Not even going to mention the warranty "service".
 
high output collision shops can only use what the insurance company "approves" as noted by the warranty and service comment above. i was sitting in a local shop gettng an estimate and was looking through a magazine in the lobby, saw an spi ad, and asked the guy why he didnt use spi products. he said he had to use a system approved by the insurance co. ...
 
Form..... If you listen to the shop owners here, everything, including the weather, is the fault of the insurance companies. Shop owners don't seem to understand that they don't work for the insurance companies.

Aaron
 
I don't believe it is like that for all shops. Maybe the ones who sign their life away with insurance companies.

Honestly I don't think insurance companies really care. They only pay one rate for materials so it doesn't matter whether it is $100 paint or $20 paint. Warranty is carried out by the shop themselves or the paint company in relation to the shop.

I could be wrong..(wouldn't doubt it!! LOL)...but the thing i'm sure of is........Sure as hell am glad I dont deal with insurance companies. If I do any insurance work, the claim and check is handled through the customer. Refuse to deal with them. I don't care how rich you can get. I sleep good at night!!!
 
...or the paint company in relation to the shop.
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correct, it was a collision shop only. he has to use a paint system ok'd by the insurance companies. cant mix different products.
talk about a monopoly!
 
I have never heard of an insurance company having anything to do with the brand of paint that is used. I was an adjuster for a few years a while back and we didn't care what paint was used, as that was between the customer and shop. Now, we didn't have any "direct repair" shops, so that kind of limited our involvement, as the warrantee was only from the shop. Now some companies actually provide a warranty if the repairs are done at one of their shops. I am sure there is wording in their contracts as far as how the warranty is handled in their shops, but I doubt that they get involved in the brand of paint.

One shop I worked at as an estimator changed brands of paint while I was there. There were no discussions with the insurance companies about that.

There may be something in the contract with the paint supplier, specially when it comes to a warranty issue. Then again, what does that matter? They aren't going to do anything about a warranty issue except claim that you did something wrong.

Aaron
 
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