Price increases!

Sadly they dont care about the long run. If i hadn't been with them for 7 years now they wouldn't have done it. Now, they wont even look at you right unless you can spend 10k a month in their liquids...and you have to have a minimum of like 5 employees.

Way i look at it, is money is money. If i only spend 3k a month with them, that's 36k a year...if they REALLY dont want that from me, then fine. Put them in a corner and they will about do what you want. Atleast that's my experience. Of course, i'm not dealing with the company DIRECTLY, going through my local rep. I guess with pro-spray you are dealing with them directly?
 
the morton company that owns prospray is dumb as a tree stump about all this. dont even bother calling for tech help. but most any of them do look at your average before stepping up .
 
I talked to Chad about it a few years ago. It wasn't happening. I don't think there is any type of buy-in program for a small shop like mine.

I'm willing to bear some of the cost, but not all of it. I would like to own my own mixing machine, at some point I will do that and start my own mixing system, probably based on Standox since my local jobber carries it.
 
if you own your own mixing bank any supply should be glad to warehouse some paint. if not move on.
 
OK guys, see this is where you don't understand and why they can rip you off just like the contracts shops. THERE IS NO FREE LUNCH!!!!!!!

Think about it!!
Do you have any idea how many shops took their contract to court over last 20 years once they figured out that $100,000 up front check, cost them 200,000.
There is no free lunch.

This is why prospray cannot give you a mixing bank, they are offering you a base as good as Glasuit or Nexa, Spies, Standox for 30% less then Deltron.
How long would it take to cover the 10,000 cost?

When you own the machine, the jobber is in there on invitation only, so he better be cutting deals and acting real service oriented.
If he gave you the machine, he will tell you how, when and how high to jump.
There is no free lunch!!!

I would put a system on a credit card, get a note from the bank, buy a used machine off of ebay (dime a dozen) and then by heads and tint, LONG before I let a company give me one.
 
i would believe prospray would stock a bench if you used enough . any jobber who wouldn't wont last long. they just stock it on your bench and replace it the first of the month and bill accordingly . i knew of one who wouldn't but they charged for mixing codes. real aholes but they were within a block of all the high end car dealers and some big shops.
 
They have a deal out now where if you put in a mix machine it get's split up 3 ways. between the paint company, the jobber, and the warehouse..

They will want to see all of your financials though.. I don't think that's right either. But if a shop is willing to do that with them. i guess why not.
I funded the last one that i put in.

To bad your not closer to me.
 
when i got my first ppg mixing machine, i refused for them to put it in for free. I bought everything. Otherwise they wanted a big contract signed.. I said no way..
The funny thing is that they had to go back and figure out what they needed to do because they never had anybody ask for such a thing..
 
The nice thing going right now is, with the majors only subsiding waterborne, there are a lot of picked up machines out there, for cheap and a lot of these just go to the dump.

Call a few jobbers, tell them you want to buy used machines, you may end up with used tints and the bank for nothing.

I had a jobber a few months ago, throw out Debeers and Sikkens and put in Dupont all on the QT and then on Monday Dupont had 13 reps in town to replace all the systems, he ended up with tons and sold them to shops jobbers three states Way for a song, I almost took a full Debeers machine and tints all for $500, just did not know what I would do with it as I could never use all that.

KEEP your eyes and ears open as to what is going on and call and ask. get on ebay and watch, would you drive 6 hours to pick up a machine for nothing or a full system for next to nothing? Sounds like a pretty profitable Saturday to me.
 
theres another shop in town that is locked in with ppg for like 10 years, not sure if that contract is up but man....theres no way i could do that. just isn't smart at all. I dont understand how people can think that is a smart business move. dont mean to offend anyone that has done it but i just dont see it.

barry, there is a lesonal bank on ebay right now. bid is at 100 bucks...arizona though. computer, scale and all. even has some utech on the bottom rack, lol.
 
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once alot of the solvent became no compliant shops were giving the systems away.
 
jeremyb;3969 said:
theres another shop in town that is locked in with ppg for like 10 years, not sure if that contract is up but man....theres no way i could do that. just isn't smart at all. I dont understand how people can think that is a smart business move. dont mean to offend anyone that has done it but i just dont see it.

barry, there is a lesonal bank on ebay right now. bid is at 100 bucks...arizona though. computer, scale and all. even has some utech on the bottom rack, lol.
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Sounds like a nice road trip for two people or even closer to Crashtech!!
 
The thing that always haunts a small shop with a mixing system is there are always a few tints that don't get used fast enough and eventually they thicken and throw the color matches off.
 
Barry and jeremy, the thing that worries me is, how do you know if the seller actually owns the machine?

Bob, that is true. In fact, I have gotten to the point where some of my toners, the ones that pop up in a lot of colors but never in large quantities, are in sealed pint cans which I shake and stir as needed. It doesn't slow me down much as long as the formula gets looked at ahead of time. Some that were supplied to me 5 years ago never got used at all and went bad, I've chucked them, which has made room on the machine for other things.

That's why I feel in my case it would be better to populate the machine on an as-needed basis, I know there are some toners that just sit on the shelf even in a big shop, what is the sense in that? Also for certain toners it would make good sense to look into some 1/2 liter lids, Dedoes makes them but I have never seen them.
 
I think as Bob pointed out and I have said for years, other then ego, a shop does not need a mixing machine unless the volume is there, just takes one toner to go bad and any profit if any by having a machine is gone.
 
The jobbers in my area charge more for mixed paint than toners.

Also, how does a shop without a mixing machine match color? By paying more for mixed paint, AND buying bits of toner?

I've been there, don't want to go backwards.
 
very hard to do, crash, imo. Especially if the color has about 7 different variants and none of them are really close. Thing to do is take something off the car and give to them for matching. Then you are relying on their matching skills and when they can get to it. Not to mention if they get it wrong and you have to keep going back and forth..time is money. Since i dont do a whole lot of painting outside the resto painting, my jobber doesnt stock a backup to most of the pearls. All i have is what is on the handle. Other major solid colors get a backup. It's kind of a gamble, but i've been down that road of going back and forth with them trying to mix paint. Since i dont do a whole lot of that stuff, it has to count when it comes in.

Another thing to do is keep everything in qts. Some of the bigger shops have all their silvers in gallons...mine are in qts. Imagine what a gallon of silver costs if gone bad. I've only had a few go bad though..dont know if it is necessarly due to it sitting...but i've had a few violet tints go bad...pigment started clumping up. They replaced no charge.
 
I have to have the paint and part(s) jambed the day the vehicle comes in in most instances.

And I cannot rely on the matching skills of the paint store, besides, they are only matching "on the stick" and not doing sprayouts.
 
crashtech;4008 said:
I have to have the paint and part(s) jambed the day the vehicle comes in in most instances.

And I cannot rely on the matching skills of the paint store, besides, they are only matching "on the stick" and not doing sprayouts.
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the places i use do spray outs. they will only stick match if im in a rush and if the prime is off. find a better jobber. wait till u get to deal with water. there IS NOT STICK MATCHING. u have to spray it.
 
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