PPG 2002 clear coat

danp76

danp76

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I was told by a local jobber that 2002 is strictly a baking clear and will not perform well in a cross draft booth without heat. He recommended 2021 clear for the job or 4000 series clear. I still wanna use SPI, but I'm not sure I can talk customer into it, as it previously had deltron ppg on it, and he's been pretty strict with sticking with ppg. The car is a 55 chevy convertible. If I'm forced to use PPG deltron base, and ppg clear, what clear would you guys recommend?
 
2002.. I have used many times in the past.. I have not used it in many years, but I dont buy that crap about it being baking clear only unless the formula has completely changed.. As a matter of fact, last time I bought base at my local ppg platinum jobber I ask the guy who has been there over 20 yrs, what he thought was the best clear they sold.. Without hesitation he said the 2002 is by far the best..

Like I said I have not purchased any since I started using spi over 5 years ago, but I have never heard it was a bake only clear,.. Worked like magic in my non booth garage broski!!

By the way Dan.. Tell your customer they are not allowed totell you what products you use and dont.. That could make for a disastrous paint job using unfamiliar products brother.. I would either use my clear I am comfortable with.. Or they could take elsewhere.. Just my 2 quarts worth
 
the 2021 im not fond of,have used several Gallons of 4000 series and actually love it.

i started using Spi and wont go back but if you have no out i would use the 4000 PPG clear.

never used the 2002?
 
I never liked the 2021 either. Never tried the 2002.
I would almost like to try out of curiousity and knowledge, but not bad enough that I want to pay for it.. lol..
 
First the 2002 is used a lot in non baking shops and it is their best clear and the only one they have, that is close to the universal.

4000 uses the same resin my Turbo clear uses and it would be my last resort choice, if you don't use the 2002. If the car is of value, I would use the 2002.
 
Chad.S;1936 said:
I never liked the 2021 either. Never tried the 2002.
I would almost like to try out of curiousity and knowledge, but not bad enough that I want to pay for it.. lol..
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im with you i got tired of paying those High prices,never could get the results i was after with the 2021.

that's interesting over the 4000 clear being the last resort?everything i used it on looked amazing and it flowed out great

oh well doesn't matter Im in love with UV clear,who can blame me,lol!!!!!!!!!!!,Travis
 
My last resort statement, might have come off wrong, as i would never recommend my Turbo for a street rod or Restoration and like the 4000, it is a very good insurance work clear, just not Pebble beach, class.
 
Barryk;1940 said:
My last resort statement, might have come off wrong, as i would never recommend my Turbo for a street rod or Restoration and like the 4000, it is a very good insurance work clear, just not Pebble beach, class.
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you are correct and i didnt think about it being a street rod or resto,my bad.

i wouldnt use it for that either.

all the uses i had for it was insurance work or motorcycle stuff.

heck i think any good clear makes factory sprayed vehicles look 2 times better than they ever did,lol!!!!!

im having trouble with the UV,B/c it looks so damn good up against other panels,lol!!!!!but i cant re-clear the whole job for a repair job!!!!!!
 
Is the 2002 clear a 4:1 clear? I was told by Barry that a 4:1 clear can only be made so good. By nature of mix ratio it can't be made as good as a high quality 2:1, a 3:1 or a 1:1 clear? Is that true? I do know the 2002 is pricey.
 
Hi Andy, it sells for BIG BUCKS!!..$232.00 for a gallon of clear, and $100 and change for the activator. So, you're talking around $332 and change for a set up. So because it's a 4:1 clear, is it not as good as it could be?..due to the fact it's a 4:1 ratio? ...oh, btw, the Global clear, (can't which number) is over $400 for a set up.
 
4:1?? Are you sure?

Was not always that way? Does it now take a reducer?

How was it before? Have not seen it in years but I may be giving something good reviews based on what it use to be???

$350 a gallon kit, I would not think it could be all that good, unless they using this as a loss leader now???
 
Hi Barry, yep the clear is a 4:1:1 clear coat, not sure what is was in past years, but that's the ratio now. PPG refers to it as a high solids poly clear.

Concept® High Solids Polyurethane Clear DCU2002
Compatible Surfaces
DCU2002 may be applied over:
· DELTRON® (DBU) Universal Basecoat
· DELTRON® 2000 (DBC) Basecoat
· CONCEPT® (DCC) Acrylic Urethane
Required Products
DT Reducers
Cool Temperature (60 – 70°F) DT860
Medium Temperature (65 – 80°F) DT870
Warm Temperature (75 – 90°F) DT885
Hot Temperature (85°F and above) DT895
Hot Temperature (95°F and above) DT898
Hardeners
Medium Temperature DCX8
Hot Temperature / Force Dry DCX9
General Purpose DCX61
SUPERCHARGER™ DFX11
Features
· Premium force dry clear
· High solids
· Easy application
Advantages
· Excellent gloss
· Two coat clear
· Excellent flow
characteristics
Benefits
· Customer satisfaction
· Increased productivity
· Matches OEM finishes
CONCEPT® DCU2002 delivers a premium-quality, high gloss, 4.2 VOC compliant
finish when applied over DELTRON® (DBU) Basecoat or DELTRON® 2000
(DBC) Basecoat.
DCU2002 is designed for either air dry or force dry spray booth applications.
Product Information Effective 3/06
P-200
Directions for Use
Preparation:
Where VOC limits allow a maximum of 5.0 #/US Gal. for multi-stage systems, reduce
DBU Color 150% with DRR Reducer or DBC Color 100% with DT Reducer. Refer to
the Product Information Bulletin of the color system for its application and dry times.
Mix Ratios:
DCU2002 : DT REDUCER : DCX HARDENER
4 : 1 : 1
Pot Life of mixture is 4 hours at 70°F (21°C).
DCU2002 : DT REDUCER : DFX11
5 : 1 : 5
Pot Life of mixture is 3 hours at 70°F (21°C).
Spraygun Set-up:
Apply: 2 wet coats
Fluid Tip: 1.3 – 1.5 mm or equivalent
Air pressure 8 – 10 PSI at the cap HVLP guns
45 – 50 PSI for conventional guns
Dry Times:
Flash Time 10 – 15 min. with DCX hardeners
5 – 10 minutes with DFX11
Dry Times 70°F (21°C). DCX8 DCX9 DCX61 DFX11
Dust Free: 80 – 90 min. 100 min. 70 min. 15 – 20 min.
Tack Free: 3 – 4 hrs. 31/2 – 4 hrs. 23/4 – 3 hrs. 1 – 11/4 hrs.
Tape Time: 5 – 6 hrs. 6 hrs. 6 hrs. 12 hrs.
Air Dry 16 hr. 70°F (21°C)
Force Dry:
Purge 0 – 5 min.
Bake DCX hardeners 30 min. at 140°F (60°C)
DFX11 15 – 30 min. at 120 –140°F (49°C – 60°C)
Polishing:
Air Dry DCX hardener – 16 hr. at 70°F (21°C).
DFX11 – 12 hr. at 70°F (21°C)
Force Dry DCX hardener – cool down + 4 – 8 hrs.
DFX11 – cool down + 4v6 hrs.
Repair and Recoat:
DCX – force dry/cool cycle or 16 hrs. air dry 70°F (21°C)
DFX11 – force dry/cool cycle or 5 hrs. air dry 70°F (21°C)
After 3 days, DCU2002 must be sanded before recoating with primer, color or clear.
Page 2 P-200
DCU2002
Page 3 P-200
Directions for Use
Painting Flexible Parts:
Full panel only when part is off the vehicle. It is not necessary to add
DX814 when the part is mounted on the vehicle.
DCU2002 : DT REDUCER : DCX HARDENER : DX814
4 : 1 : 2 : 2
Pot life of flexiblilized DCU2002 is 1 – 2 hours at 70°F (21°C).
DCU2002/DT/DCX9 (4:1:1) may be used on flexible parts without DX814.
DCU2002/DFX11 is not recommended over flexible parts.
Tinting and Additives:
DCU2002 cannot be tinted.
DX73 Fisheye Preventer may be added 1/2 oz. Per RTS QT.
DX84 Enhancer or DX87 Extender may be added 1/2 oz. per RTS QT when using
DCX hardeners.
DO NOT USE DX84 OR DX87 when using DFX11.
DXR81 Accelerator may be added 1/2 oz. per RTS QT when using DFX11 hardener.
Technical Data:
DCU2002 (Pkg) #/US Gal.
VOC 4.0
DCU2002 (RTS) #/US Gal.
Ready-to-Spray DCX8 DCX9 DCX61 DFX11
VOC 4.1 4.1 4.1 4.2
Total % Solids by Volume (RTS) 41.5% 41.5% 42.0% 39.9%
Sq. Ft. Coverage/US Gal.
(1 mil 100% transfer efficiency) 666 666 675 640
Film build (wet mils per coat) 1.2 – 1.4 1.2 – 1.4 1.2 – 1.4 1.1 – 1.3
Recommended dry film mils 2.0 – 2.5 2.0 – 2.5 2.0 – 2.5 2.0 – 2.5
Important:
The contents of this package may have to be blended with other components before
the product can be used. Before opening the packages, be sure you understand the
warning messages on the labels of all components, since the mixture will have the
hazards of all its parts. Improper spray technique may result in a hazardous
condition. Follow spray equipment manufacturer’s instructions to prevent personal
injury or fire. Follow directions for respirator use. Wear eye and skin protection.
Observe all applicable precautions.
DCU2002
PPG Industries
19699 Progress Drive
Strongsville, OH 44149
1-800-647-6050
PPG Canada Inc.
2301 Royal Windsor Drive
Mississauga, Ontario L5J 1K5
1-888-310-4762
© 2006 PPG Industries www.ppgrefinish.com Part No. P-200 3/06
World Leaders In Automotive Finishes
Concept® High Solids
Polyurethane Clear
See Material Safety Data Sheet and Labels for additional safety information and handling instructions.
EMERGENCY MEDICAL OR SPILL CONTROL INFORMATION (412) 434-4515; IN CANADA (514) 645-1320
Materials described are designed for application by professional, trained personnel using proper equipment and are not intended for sale to
the general public. Products mentioned may be hazardous and should only be used according to directions, while observing precautions
and warning statements listed on label. Statements and methods described are based upon the best information and practices known to
PPG Industries. Procedures for applications mentioned are suggestions only and are not to be construed as representations or warranties as to
performance, results, or fitness for any intended use, nor does PPG Industries warrant freedom from patent infringement in the use of any formula
or process set forth herein.
 
as usual " two coat clear ". this has always been my complaint about ppg clears. they just dont perform well at heavier mills.
 
they have a newer global line clear, dont know the number, but ive been told its there best clear. isnt 2002 20 years old/
 
global something like #894 or so?...even more money then the 2002, jobber told me a setup of the global clear is just shy of $450.00!!!
 
I sprayed the 894 as a demo quite a long time ago, I remember it being a really slow clear, clearing the pt cruiser took over 3hrs, but then again, they picked the activator for me.. It did look pretty good and held up well, but that's a lot of money for a gallon of clear.
 
danp76;2024 said:
global something like #894 or so?...even more money then the 2002, jobber told me a setup of the global clear is just shy of $450.00!!!
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I've used the D894 and it is good stuff but pricey. Not many production shops use it because it is slow. Very scratch resistant but can be a PITA to buff.
 
I don't know how some shops make money if they are using systems and brands that demand top dollar.
 
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