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Packing peanuts ban 2019

#22
Here in Suffolk County Long Island, part of the NY nanny state, we have to pay for plastic bags, except if you are living off of public handouts and receiving food stamps, then it's free.
So now I carry reusable bags in the Jeep.
people who live in syria are treated better than the residents from suffolk county ny
 

Barry

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#23
honestly I think the cornstarch peanuts are the best way to go. no static and you can just dump them outside or hose them off and they just disappear. very few places use them though.
This is a real problem trying to find out now if they are legal.
Not many options even looked a box shredder for $50,000.
 

EddieF

Top Banana
#26
I didn't know cornstarch peanuts existed. 50 state legal? Cost double triple? Weight good point but slight vs a gallon of clear.
All i can say is i hope the worry & headache i started proves worth the hassle.
Who the heck would think styrofoam peanuts would get banned one day.
Straws, i remember paper straws. I'm ok with that.
 
#28
They try to control what they can control, since they cannot fix the real problem of the plastic water bottles. Yes, buy in cook county and you pay 5 cents per bottle. case of 24 is 1.20 more. They claim they take 300 years to decompose, how can they know that? So kick the little 2 mil bag that cant hold a can of soup without tearing. Funny thing is, some stores are allowed to give you a really thick bag that they expect you to reuse, probably 10 times as thick. I guess those would take 10 X the time to decompose.
Tell you the truth, I am surprised they are not forcing companies to sell the paint products with some pig type spill control packaging that would suck up the contents you were shipping. I guess that is just an example of how it could be worse.
 

Barry

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#31
Another idiot,
Don't give them ideas!!! lol

We have played before with the cornstarch peanuts a little more cost but main reason we don't is if you smash them, they don't expand back.
Bottom line is shipping chemicals is different so we will at this point go to them as we run out and keep eye on our ups boxes and see if we incur problems.

Talked to one city today( there are 170 some) and the one said their fines will start at $5000 a box but won't enforce for 6 months so you can use up supply on hand.
 

MikeS

The New Guy
#32
Here in Suffolk County, Long Island, we have mandatory recycling. It is a good idea, IMO, because we are very limited on land used for dumps. As of 2019, they take only type 1 and 2 plastics, all metals and paper/cardboard, like so many municipalities are doing these days. They no longer take glass because there is little money in its resale as 'scrap'. Maybe shredded cardboard will be good to ship paint supplies?

Mike
 
#33
So who gets the money for all these fees and fines? I am quessing it is the county or state government, so it will definitely be pissed away on some stupid or irrelevant "project". Just another tax or greedy money grab on the citizens.
 

Barry

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#34
So who gets the money for all these fees and fines? I am quessing it is the county or state government, so it will definitely be pissed away on some stupid or irrelevant "project". Just another tax or greedy money grab on the citizens.
Not sure, I was fined years ago and talking to the guy it was like 60% county and 40% state. or very close too.
 
#35
i like the summit packaging. they use balloons . not sure how well it would do on paint. i did learn not to reuse the peanuts to ship some jelly and pickles to a friend . jars moved around and ended up broken . i use paper now so they cant move .
 
#36
......."Landfills are crammed with junk like the eternal packing peanut, although it has been banned in many landfills. Wisconsin, for example, banned the product from landfills in 1995. In 1999, the EPA estimated that around 1 part in 20 of landfill contents was polystyrene, which includes said peanuts.

What's so bad about foam peanuts, aside from the annoyance factor? The expanded polystyrene doesn't degrade quickly. It's bulky to store and bulky to ship and awkward to handle, all of which adds expense that I end up paying. And it's not the cheapest packing material option, either.

As a unit of comparison, let's consider the common hi-cube railroad box car, with an interior volume of around 7,480 cubic feet. To fill a boxcar with packing peanuts from the catalog vendor Uline at catalog prices would cost around $10,612.

There is a more environmentally friendly peanut, which solves the landfill problem but not the annoyance. Peanuts made of cornstarch break down under water and can be composted. However, this comes at a cost. The same quantity of cornstarch peanuts from Uline will set you back $11,370 at catalog prices.

What about that most amusing of packing choices, the air bubble sheets? (FYI: Bubble Wrap is a registered trademark.) While fun to play with (pop some virtual Bubble Wrap online), filling a boxcar with it would run you $13,826.

And keep in mind, what you're buying is air; a peanut is 99.6% air. That's some pricey air.

Another alternative is molded pulp (think cardboard egg cartons.) These are an alternative, however, only until you do some calculator work; to fill our boxcar with this product would run around $52,000.

A cheaper alternative is the air-filled plastic pillow. These are made as they are needed by the packer, overcoming the burden of storing huge volumes of material. And, according Rachel Hadley, a spokeswoman for Sealed Air Corp. via e-mail, the cost per cubic foot of this packing option is only 70 cents, meaning you could fill that boxcar with this kind of air for only $5,306.

This is a good start. Another notion that would also make sense to me is to ship me products in boxes that fit the products, rather than sending me a thumb drive in a box big enough to serve as a basketball court. Got that, Amazon?"
Source: https://www.aol.com/2010/04/29/packing-peanut-haters-unite-there-are-better-options/

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Anything here worh checking out, Barry?

Best to all for the New Year,

Lance
 
#37
I wonder if that contraption that folds the flat cardboard into triangles is expensive? It looks pretty neat actually, the flat stock takes up much less space than the equivalent foam peanuts. They claim to make a product that is suitable for heavy things like motors, too, which would probably be what would be needed for paint material.
 
#38
If you watched THIS video, where they have two smaller (seemingly portable) machines, one placing initial bottom fill, the next topping off, it would seem the contraptions might be within reach. Needs checking out.

That box machine might be worth looking into also. I wonder if if can make any size one would need on demand. Could save inventory and packing material...
 

EddieF

Top Banana
#39
I wonder if spray foam is still allowed & will be for a few yrs to come.
I never seen it being used but i'd expect no floor space, just a hose hanging down squirt squirt and tanks somewhere.
That would handle the throw around "carriers" & insulate great. Goods get bagged, foam sprayed in.
Friend had camera fedex'd to me once and it had that treatment. Could fall off truck & not break.

edit- Shine- send me some pickles & jelly
 

Barry

Paint Fanatic
Staff member
#40
If you watched THIS video, where they have two smaller (seemingly portable) machines, one placing initial bottom fill, the next topping off, it would seem the contraptions might be within reach. Needs checking out.

That box machine might be worth looking into also. I wonder if if can make any size one would need on demand. Could save inventory and packing material...
we did the math on the different machines and the problem is not cost of machine but the amount of cardboard we need = we through away about
200lbs of cardboard a month best we can figure, with our ground shipments that would be a very unlikely maximum 3.5 days of shipping and the weight alone would increase the freight costs and if we have to buy cardboard to chop, we would cost ourselves right out of business.
 
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