Comparing Paint Prices and Quality.

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bigbad69chevelle

I am wanting to use SPI primers and clear. I am wanting to find more info on quality of following bases. I got several quotes PPG Deltron 572.00 for 1 Gallon 1 Quart and Reducer, Pro Spray 518.00 , Wanda 350.00 , Matrix 580.00. I have read and seen a bunch of good info and Wanda so far it is the cheapest base I have found and its from a local jobber. What has been your experiences with Wanda and SPI? Also is there any cheaper bases that provide good quality I would appreciate any feedback. Im looking for good quality that doesn't break that bank.
 
I stripped my 65 Corvette to bare glass and sprayed it with all SPI primers and clear along with Wanda base. It came out great and wouldn't hesitate to use the same products again. :encouragement:

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well so far i really like the wanda. every bit as good as the diamont base i was using before. i liked it so much they are installing my new mixing system on monday. i just did a 49 caddy with it. stuff was great. covered in 2 coats. its a high quality polyester base not like most of the other economy bases that are acrylic enamel. wanda uses the same pigments as akzo's autobase so the basic color tools of the high end lines are all the same. the difference with wanda is you have no factory warranty or tech support. support comes from the jobber. akzo has no reps for it nor do they do anything to get the system into your shop. they simply make the paint and formulas then sell that to the jobber. thats basically where your saving the money.
 
Wow thats a beautiful car thanks for encouragement and reply im planing to paint my 69 chevelle cortez silver with black stripes.
 
Sounds good Jim, how does it compare to Limco Supreme Plus? Any pics of the 49 Caddy? was it a convertible?
 
Jim thanks for the info and putting Wanda into perpective. I wanted to go with pro spray but its more expensive and not local. My local jobber has Wanda so its going to be my base with SPI primers and clear. Would like to see pics of this combo.
 
I'll say it again, you won't be sorry with the Wanda. :encouragement:

Even though you don't get all that support from the factory, the good thing about Akzo is they aren't going to put junk out there to sell. Wanda is a PREMIUM base compared to limco, omni, etc....
 
Jim, are you selling Wanda? Might have to keep you in mind next time I need a base. Between you, Chad, and Barry all bases could be covered!
 
mitch, i am not a jobber for wanda but for anyone that i sell spi to here i have always mixed color for as well. there is nothing in it for me as i dont have any kind of worthwhile discount so i dont make anything on it. i just do it to help my spi customers. our member dutchman on here is a wanda jobber and can help you out with that.

dan, as jeremy said it a premium base. it is absolutely nothing like limco. it is exactly like diamont. if you were to mix wanda pour it in my gun and hand it to me to spray and not say anything i would think you mixed diamont off my current machine and gave it to me. i would never know the difference.
 
Wanda sounds like it may be way better than the Lesinol line AN was pushing as a middle of the road system years back, with a 2:1 mix ratio plus poor coverage with many colors there was little to no money being saved when compared to Sikkens. What is the mix ratio with Wanda and how is the coverage?
 
Hi Jim, I was told the new Limco Supreme is supposed to spray and smell a lot like Diamont...I never tried it...any good?
 
hell no dan, the limco supreme is still an acrylic enamel base. i have used limco here and there over the years and its ok for a cheap overall or some oddball bs that doesnt matter. coverage and matches are horrible usually. any metallic i have shot in limco isnt blend able. the few colors i have shot with wanda were 2 coat coverage or the one bright yellow i did was 4 coat. that specific color would have covered no better in even the best paint line. as for lesinol, i have not used that line at all. i would imagine coverage would be similar. i do know of some shops that use lesinol right now and i have not heard them complain about coverage on that line but who knows.
 
Thanks for the clarification Jim. Is there any advantage to using Glasurit or RM base over Wanda? I'm thinking I can be saving myself some big money here. Would you hesitate to use it on an expensive restoration?
 
dan the only advantage over the real high end bases is price. glasurit, rm, sikkens autobase and all those are very good basecoats. quality wise wanda would be no better and those would be real hard to beat but the cost saving is tremendous. like i said its equal to diamont. imo there is no reason a basecoat should cost 400-$1200 a gallon. its just absurd. i have already done a 69 camaro, a 49 caddy with it and a resto on a real nice oil lubester that i posted pics of up on here....somewhere. with the stuff i do here i cant afford to mess around with cheap crappy paint to try and save a buck. it just bites you every time. if i didnt feel the wanda wasn't a premium product i would not be able to use use it...period. the reason you are paying less is because your not paying for warranty, factory representation and tech support. its not due to it being a cheap economy product. i never been able to recommend an economy base until this stuff. once i used it everytime i went to the diamont rack i felt like i was getting bent over. the one thing basf has going for it is the awesome color chip system. the wanda color system isnt like that. i am told the chips are printed colors and not paint but since all the formulas match up with the lesinol and autobase line you can get that color chip system and it will work for the wanda as well. all i can tell you if your thinking of switching is to try it out. word seems to be spreading about it fast.
 
Thank you for explaining it Jim. I think you have me convinced. I have to paint a 56 chevy convertible black and silver, in the near future, and then a 36 ford convertible....maybe I'll go wanda on these two projects. Glasurit it very expensive, they do have a chromated epoxy primer that is outstanding. I'm not sure how much longer it will be around, as it's imported from Germany but wow it's durable, I just don't like that it's only available in a lime green color.
 
How can we be certain that Wanda is as good as say RM, Glasurit, Deltron, etc. Unless we do a chemical analysis, can we really be for sure that the quality is as good?
 
all you can do is use it yourself or talk to other that have. jeremyb here on the forum has used it and dutchman is a jobber. send a msg to them to get their feedback. my neighbor has been an akzo rep for 20+ years. i know he would not steer me wrong or feed me a bunch of bs either. i dont think i would ever use wanda clear. its a polyester base like all the premium lines so as long as you put a good clear like spi over it that is what is going to matter. the rest is all coverage, color match and color tools.
 
One solvent and i think there is a line in water too. Its a very simple system. fyi You can use spi reducer in it also.
 
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