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Ceramic coatings

#1
A customer has a 68 Camaro show car that I did 12 years ago. He recently had the car ceramic coated and proceeded to bump into something with the header panel. He went and bought a header because someone told him you couldn't remove the ceramic to paint. I really don't want to replace the header because it will involve blending the fenders and hood, and the damage is not that bad. Has anyone had any experience removing these coatings? I feel a combination of 700 and 710 will remove most anything.
 
#2
Seems they are best removed with caustic products, that would be like good old fashioned drano. You heat up caustic to about 140 and it will strip paint overnight (from steel mind you, it will eat up aluminum). I guess you could keep scrubbing til you get an area that is water-break free to know its gone.
 
#3
I’ve come across ceramic coated vehicles at the body shops I do business with, some I have sanded myself and a bit of work with a DA and it’s gone. Now to prep and blend on top of it and long term adhesion for a long lasting repair I wouldn’t have a clue tough.

One older 2007 corvette I wiped that $hit off with laquer thinner so that I could trizact 3000/5000 and buff some panels on it. My guess is not all ceramic coatings are created equal and some are weaker than others. Those things seem like the biggest scam to me.
 
#4
Most ceramic coatings can be removed by simply polishing the paint.Start with least aggressive polish if paint is to be saved.If it`s single stage paint color will show on the pad (depending on paint`s color.) If clear coated just give it a good polish and proceed.High end coatings have a 5 year warranty, average have 2 year warranty but few will last that long under normal usage of vehicle.Warranty applies generally if coating has been applied by licenced Detailer or shop.
 

Barry

Paint Fanatic
Staff member
#5
Most ceramic coatings can be removed by simply polishing the paint. Start with the least aggressive polish if the paint is to be saved. If it`s single-stage paint color will show on the pad (depending on paint`s color.) If clear coated just give it a good polish and proceed. High-end coatings have a 5-year warranty, the average has 2-year warranty but few will last that long under normal usage of the vehicle. Warranty applies generally if the coating has been applied by licensed Detailer or shop.
OK, you seem to know a little about these ceramic coats and I only know a little, so time for you to correct what I feel.
Here is what I feel about these so far.

1) 95% of these are low grade and in my opinion no better than a wax job, so yes I could see you taking it off with a light polish.
2) there is no such thing a 5-year automatic paint warranty from any company or any warranty UNLESS you have been certified by the PAINT company (Not the Jobber) and certification is for one year to be renewed. I have the written warranties on my desk.
3) the one quality one, I tested you are not going to lightly polish off. what I found is 320 dry but now there is no such thing as blending unless you can sand the product off without breaking through the THIN factory clear??
4)) may be the warranty statement you made applied to the coating and not paint manufacturers, I could be confused here????

Help me out and correct anything that may be wrong!
Thanks
 
#6
i have a few things that are ceramic coated. the 2 and 5 year warranty is on the ceramic coat not the paint. there are a couple types out there. one has the uv and water repellent aspects of a ceramic coating without the actual coating. f11 and hydrosilex are 2 common ones. these are more like a wax job. lasts on my truck about 3 mos on horizontal surfaces and 5 mos or so on the vehicle sides. these are far more body shop friendly and can be just cleaned off like normal wax and go back on as easy as cleaning glass with windex. i do my whole truck in 5 min or so. the others with the warranty actually have the hard coating. these you are not getting off easily with a chemical or by buffing. i have one of the low grade cheap ones here. i did my waverunner, wifes car and my glass shower with it. i havent found any chemical or solvent that will take it off. there is a bracket on my glass shower and if you remove that you can see where the coating is on the glass and where its not. the stuff does work. getting it off you are going to have to sand it though. those 3 items have been done for about 2 years now and still going strong. the water repellent effect wears off a bit but the coating is still in place and working. the spray is super easy and far better than using any type of wax. you have to wash prob 3 times less than a waxed car. just stays cleaner longer. as a painter i am in favor of the spray on, non coating type all the way. as a regular consumer, i can see the appeal of the coating type.
 
#7
I have 6 bottles of GlassCoat. I've never used it. Is it good stuff? A dealer told me they charge $800 to coat a small SUV.
 

Chris_Hamilton

Trying to be the best me, I can be
#8
Had to repair one with the hard coating like Jim is talking about. Needed a fender, door and blend into the 1/4. Nothing we tried would take that stuff off. Sanding it off was only way I found. You can't blend over top of it. Ended up painting the whole side. No way would I want it on my car as it makes repairing/blending something pretty much impossible.
 

Barry

Paint Fanatic
Staff member
#9
I have 6 bottles of GlassCoat. I've never used it. Is it good stuff? A dealer told me they charge $800 to coat a small SUV.
A new car that is quarter to half the size of an SUV, I bought a year ago, the dealer tried real hard to sell me the $2800 application.

So $800, sounds like a nice wax job to me??
 
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