I have been spraying Wanda for a few years and it is OK. Every system has it's ins and outs. I've been at this for many years and sprayed almost everything. My jobber is stopping with Wanda because of non-paint related issues. Other than adhesion of Wanda and rock chip migration are not very good. Sealing fixes the adhesion and hardener in the base fixes the rock chip issue pretty well. Anyway, this jobber has the PPG line, (dropping all AKZO including Wanda), and Valspar/DeBeers. I'm thinking about putting in the Valspar system. I've sprayed it a few times now, maybe ten. Reminds me of DBC, chip/alternate deck is pretty nice. Valspar updated this system a couple of years ago so it is not like the old Valspar base coat. I sprayed the old Valspar years ago, I just remember it not covering well. This seems to cover pretty well. Thoughts, opinions? Any issues with Valspar with SP Universal Clear combo?
Valspar Anyone?
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chevy_power427
I have sprayed Valspar for the first time many years ago, color was a Ford green, and I will never forget how bad coverage was, 6 to 8 coats easily. I never used afterwards until lately, not by choice. I paint cars for a bodyshop close to mine once in a while, and he supplies the basecoat, and he uses mostly Valspar. The new Valspar seems to cover way better than back then. Matches are not like high end PPG, but blendable matches. For durability, I can't say much, once I unmask the car and drive it to his shop, I never see it again.
anotheridiot
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I have heard that Valspar blends for alot of the smaller names out there, so we have probably all sprayed Valspar already.
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chevy_power427
If I am correct, a few months back, Valspar owner Pro-Spray, Matrix and House Of Kolor. Valspar has been bought by Sherwin Williams lately Who knows where all these brands are going to go, most likely the same product relabelled.
I'll let you know. They are pulling Wanda on Monday and I have to do something so Valspar it is for now. They are also a PPG jobber and they said if I didn't like it, they will pull it and put in PPG. On custom stuff I really don't care that much about material cost but for my collision I need materials to be profitable. With PPG, the margin is only about 10% at best.
Chad.S
Oldtimer
chevy_power427;n84752 said:
Yes, SW has all of these now, I'm hearing horror stories with Matrix in my area as they have changed the product. And Pro-Spray price increases. No idea on the actual valspar brand. I also have Wanda in my store but it mostly sits, I find it to be a decent base but the other line I carry is about the same price, has better match and goes farther..
Bartman;n84754 said:
I here that on collision. The bean counters have that industry locked up tight. Dupont Chroma, I know it's now called Axalta but I hate that name and won't say it sounds too dam foreign for me, is what we use on that end it's cheaper then PPG's mixing bank. Anything special being worked on is a differant story. Have you looked into
R-M's line?
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chevy_power427
There's Automotive Art also out there which is not owned by Valspar or Sherwin-Williams, I used it a few times, coverage was decent. Paint rep once came to my shop and gave me a sample of Axalta Mosaic, Honda silver, and coverage was very bad, it was almost like a silver top coat, metallic flakes floating in binder, and they use a dedicated reducer, SPI reducer is incompatible. Up here in Canada, with our low voc laws, basecoat choices are very limited. Funny thing is that I am 45 minutes north of the border, where PPG Deltron, Global and Concept are still available. We're forced to go to waterbase from the big brands or try the small brands low voc offerings. Lately, I have been giving Pro-Spray a try, and the matches are decent, but almost priced as much as the PPG Envirobase which has great matches and coverage.
Well about two weeks on Valspar color. The tech rep was here for a couple of days. Had to spray ALL Valspar while he was here. Used Valspar 4400 clear and it looks good but slow through cure and not easy to buff, especially after a couple of days. When he was not here, I sprayed SP Universal and as always it looked good, no apparent die back or "pinching" with Valsar under it. Most colors covered in 2-3 coats. If it was a poor hider then the Valspar color retrieval alerts you to use a certain undercoat that turns it into a two coat color. Drives the cost up a tad because of the undercoat on those colors. It kind of reminds me of PPG in the way it sprays, denibs, and the way it covers sand scratches (not like a polyester base (Diamont, Lesonal, Wanda). My margin on collision material over the two weeks has been around 40. I still plan to try/look at Motobase but there is no jobber in my area. I used to own a jobber store, maybe I should open back up to offer Motobase in my area....
Well Valspar bit me in the butt. I had a ford dually that I replaced the bed. Used bed with original paint. Prepped like I have to 30 years, sealed it. The color code was T5 Dark Copper. Valspar recommended a ground coat for better coverage. The issue is the ground coat would not cover, then the top coat would not cover the ground coat. I knew I was in trouble but....ended up with 8-9 coats between the two. Valspar says you CAN'T put hardener in their base because of some proprietary nano technology BS so I didn't. The long and short, where the dually bolt on fender touches the bed side, the paint peeled up and wrinkled. Valspar says I over applied and did not let flash. Well folks, I did a coat every 30 minutes with correct reducer AND I let it sit over night before I cleared it. When I razor blade the finish off to the ground coat I can smell the solvent so in that since it is "over-applied" and not flashed. But if the damn thing won't cover AND I wait overnight, I say it is not on me. It's a piece of shit. Sorry. I've been painting since I was 14. I was trained by one of the best. I've been to Dupont factory training in 1990, BASF in 1996, Matrix in 2001. I'm not an idiot.....Venting sorry.
sorry you got bit. pro spray will bite you too. i dont care how high ppg gets i will never experiment again. save a few hundred and lose 9k. "Better the enemy you know than one not seen "DATEC, The longest I ever used a system was back when we sprayed Diamont. It was and probably is still my favorite. A few colors on classic stuff we sprayed Glasurit because that was the system BASF had the formula in. I stopped spraying BASF because of jobber issues. We are about an hour in either direction from the nearest larger city that has jobbers. When BASF changed jobbers years ago they did not want to service us but once or twice a month and it just did not work for us. Now there is a different jobber, maybe I should reach out.
Now let me tell you the sorted story on this paint incident. I just need to VENT. Read above about the problem I had with Valspar. The truck is a King Ranch Crew Cab dually. When I had trouble with coverage, I ordered a little PPG DBC from jobber to paint the rear bolt on fenders. It covered in two coats, I put on a third to just to be safe. Cleared it, no problem. When I got them involved with the Valspar wrinkle/peeling problem, the jobber wanted to know what they could do to help. I said, nothing, they insisted and I thought, great they do care. I told them, all I wanted was a pint of DBC. I would strip, prime, block and respray the bedside. They sent me a quart. Label was the same as the DBC before, says code T5, same brand code 906295, label says Deltron. I go to spray and 5 coats later it is still not covered. I go grab my last DBC code T5 and smell it and the two don't smell alike. I go see the other PPG jobber with both cans and he confirms what I thought. It's OMNI!! I wiped it off with lacquer thinner, sealed it, sprayed it with Diamont. I know the paint was "free" but why tell me you were going to help me, then send me Omni that did not cover and from the spray out I did later, wasn't even going to match. I'm pissed....I have not called them, I will not call them, there stuff can sit here until they figure it out and come and get it. Am I being petty?