SPI SS black match OEM?

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car46999

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I need to repaint the rear quarter panel on my 1998 Lexus LS400 that is OEM paint code 202 black onyx. It is the original paint and it is single stage. I have found a technical service information document from Toyota and Lexus that state that PPG 9300 is a match for the OEM color.

I think the answer is no from what I read here in the forums, but would SPI SS black be a good match for the OEM paint on this spot repair?
 
I too was very certain a 1998 would not have single stage paint on it, but the more research I did showed that Lexus did not put clear on their black onyx cars until after about 2000. Here is a Toyota repair collision repair guide listing 202 as being single stage.

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Although this is for 1996 Lexus Ls400(s), from my research 1998 was the same. The 202 black was single stage while metallics were bc/cc.
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And this is the document that convinced me, these are the recommended paints for collision repair TSIB for 1998-1999 Lexus vehicles. It calls out PPG 9300 which is single stage black. The document number is PA002-99.

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Toyota 202 is pure black in my Standox formula look-up, so the SPI Black should match correctly. Toyota and Lexus did use single stage on non-metallic vehicles long after most companys stopped.
 
well i can say the spi black is most likely going to be blacker. i have done spray outs of spi black along side of pure blacks from many of the big paint companies and the spi is always the blackest by far. i have never been able to use it right out of the can to repair any oem black. keep in mind that is not really my business either. i dont do car repairs every day so some of the others on here may be able to chime in with some better info. also, last time i used spi black was prob 5 years ago so maybe it has changed, i dont know. with all that said, with it being blacker you can always add a drop of white or yellow oxide to it but its prob easier to just order the ss in the right code.

i painted my buddies evo which was a 2003 and that was ss from the factory. all the solid colors on those were ss at the time so there is a possibility that in 98 lexus was using it as well.
 
car46999 said:
And this is the document that convinced me, these are the recommended paints for collision repair TSIB for 1998-1999 Lexus vehicles. It calls out PPG 9300 which is single stage black. The document number is PA002-99.

This isn't the first time I've been wrong. not 100% just 99.97.
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SPI SS is going to be blacker and if you panel paint it it will be off a couple of shades. PPG 9300 compared to SPI has a hint of blue in it and isn't as black. If you want it to match perfectly then using SPI and panel painting isn't going to work. Even using the PPG 9300 and panel painting it will be noticeable. 26 year old paint is never going to be able to be perfectly matched panel painting. You would need to blend.

We never put single stage back on those cars when doing a repair. Basecoat blend, then clear the entire panel(s). Only way to get a decent match to the rest of the car without the repaired area sticking out.

Now if you can live with it being a shade or two different then panel painting is an option.
 
Chris_Hamilton said:
SPI SS is going to be blacker and if you panel paint it it will be off a couple of shades. PPG 9300 compared to SPI has a hint of blue in it and isn't as black. If you want it to match perfectly then using SPI and panel painting isn't going to work. Even using the PPG 9300 and panel painting it will be noticeable. 26 year old paint is never going to be able to be perfectly matched panel painting. You would need to blend.

We never put single stage back on those cars when doing a repair. Basecoat blend, then clear the entire panel(s). Only way to get a decent match to the rest of the car without the repaired area sticking out.

Now if you can live with it being a shade or two different then panel painting is an option.
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Chris,
Really appreciate the advice. I am thinking I might have to reconsider a full respray, the car is old enough it could use it.
 
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'68 Coronet R/T said:
The Tank on the right is Harley Davidson Vivid Black, the one on the left is SPI Black. See any difference?

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not really, but i am not there, monitor shows things different. my ol eyes dont see as well, etc.
i have noticed some new cars have some kinda strange shades of any color lately. some of um look almost flat, but also shiny.......that makes no sense i know.
 
The SPI black has what I call depth to it. It is a much deeper black that most, in fact I think at one time it was called Black Black.

The Harley Vivid black is definitely black but it appears to be only a surface color and lacks the depth.

Granted probably not the best picture for comparison but after painting that bike, I knew what true black looked like.
 
'68 Coronet R/T said:
The SPI black has what I call depth to it. It is a much deeper black that most, in fact I think at one time it was called Black Black.

The Harley Vivid black is definitely black but it appears to be only a surface color and lacks the depth.

Granted probably not the best picture for comparison but after painting that bike, I knew what true black looked like.
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i get what your saying. some looks like you could almost stick your finger in it. that what most of us shoot for, or hope to achieve............i doubt i ever will lol.
 
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