New SATA 5000

[keith_y]

Thank you guys for his info! The painters I know have all agreed Sata's output more than other brands comparatively. No one ever thought to measure. Duh!! Ive always used Iwata as that is what the first painter I worked for used. He always used 1.4, so I have as well. I bought a WS400 evo for clear with a 1.3 this time. Turns out to be a mistake. It is VERY slow. I ordered a 1.4 tip and it's some better. Now Ive just ordered a 5000 HVLP 1.4 and Im regretting it after reading this.

Im going to compare my Iwata's with the other painters 3000 1.3 tomorrow.

 

[Bob Hollinshead]

I grabbed my O ring kit and found R-06 to measure .060" (as well as you can measure a rubber O ring with a dial caliper, lol)

Pulled the needle back and slid it right in, didn't have to force it.

I can NOT slide it into my devilbiss 1.4 or my Iwata 1.4 though.

If the gun atomizes well and you can move fast enough that's all that matters. If it's a real hoser it could be a challenge when you come into tight areas though unless you're good at quickly adjusting on the fly.

 

[northerndave]

I think I'm going to like it.

All this really means to me is make me feel more comfortable with the decision to go 1.3 with this gun when I wanted to go 1.4 so badly. Lol

 

[DATEC]

What is your intended use for this gun, base or clear? I would think it would be too much for base especially for a panel paint/blend. It looks like it's gonna throw some material out.

 

[northerndave]

Clear.

I like my LPH400 for base.

 

[metalman]

Dave the flow test reminded me a long time ago for one particular paint I used a Zahn cup to measure viscosity. I wasn't sure you were going to take Steve up on the flow test, you did. Just proved more how this 1.3 compares to others, good work.

 

[DATEC]

Dave the flow test reminded me a long time ago for one particular paint I used a Zahn cup to measure viscosity. I wasn't sure you were going to take Steve up on the flow test, you did. Just proved more how this 1.3 compares to others, good work.

I use to use a zahn cup of paint also when I painted for GM, we painted truck parts and had to use a zahn and timed till the first drip after the cup emptied I think 13sec on a #2cup. Anyone still use those anymore?

I found the test to be worth while for sure, thanks for doing that. It shed some light on why they call it a hoser and helps with understanding why every gun sprays differently even if using the same size tip/cap (or so the marking says).

 

[northerndave]

Well yeah guys, I'm totally familiar with Zahn cups. Flow testing and all that. I've got a deep background in manufacturing speed painting for various mfg industries.

Class A finish on modern powersports products is where most of my liquid coatings time comes from. (think snowmobiles, personal watercraft, ATV's, motorcycles) I know for certain that I've sprayed out well over 50,000 gallons of paint myself. Most of which was clear. (pressure feed, hauling ass non stop for 8 hrs a day)


My flow test was simple but meaningful. Cup measured volume, same feed for both guns, no air, just testing volume flow capabilities on the same product (reducer in this case).

The "1.3" sata, flows product aprox 13% faster than an actual 1.4

I've not sprayed production volumes for many years now. I did it long enough, then entered into powercoating for a string of 10 or so years. Combined I'm well over 20 yrs in coatings on high scale volumes, close to half of that being management of a coatings department for manufacturing. (which I grew tired of)

I'm now just a guy working for himself on up to 3 projects at a time in his own shop. Probably similar to a lot of other guys here.

I don't spray every day, far from it these days. But by the time I get my restorations ready for color and clear, I have a ton of time in metal work and body work and I really need to nail it when it's time for the color and clear. That's why I went all nerdy with nozzle measurement, flow testing etc. Because it means something to me, it helps me do my job better when I understand my tools better.

Anyways, I'm stoked about the new Sata. I have a project almost ready for color and clear, probably be spraying the fun stuff next week.

And when I say "fun stuff", I mean I got a good sized shipment of SPI products off a speedy delivery truck right about quitting time today.

 

[northerndave]

I use to use a zahn cup of paint also when I painted for GM, we painted truck parts and had to use a zahn and timed till the first drip after the cup emptied I think 13sec on a #2cup. Anyone still use those anymore?
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I think the last cup I used on a regular basis was a #3 EZ zahn.

I believe we typically ran 12-14 seconds depending on application, temp etc.

 

[chevy_power427]

Maybe the Sata also creates more vacuum with the RP air cap than the others, it pulls more material. It's an aggressive gun, love it, but hate the price for parts.

 

[northerndave]

Well I finally shot my 5000 RP 1.3

I like it, it's certainly plenty fast shooting universal clear, I was basically wide open fan and pretty much full trigger pull.

Moving plenty fast, which is nice for my shoulder on big roofs/hoods with that reach that kills my shoulder.

The speed is much appreciated, plus it lays plenty slick.

 

[metalman]

Looks slick as glass from here. Well I put the regulator on my gun so far...LOL.
Was the fluid needle full open or did you have to pinch it in any? What air pressure did you use at the gun?

 

[elwood]

I love that color. It goes good on that car.

 

[northerndave]

Looks slick as glass from here. Well I put the regulator on my gun so far...LOL.
Was the fluid needle full open or did you have to pinch it in any? What air pressure did you use at the gun?

I'm a hoser (in the Canadian sense and the fluid delivery sense), so I ended up pretty full on the needle pull by the time I was done with my first coat, and I left it pretty well open. Not saying I will continue down that path. I have the rest of the car to spray, might do doors and fenders today. I could certainly afford to slow down a bit, I had not sprayed the universal before so I was worried about "sewing" my clear together where ever I had one side of the car meeting another. I see now that I can relax a bit and spray a bit more deliberately and not worry so much about keeping it wet because the universal is very user friendly for a big spray.

I was running about 22 psi with the trigger pulled (at gun). I might have been running a ragged edge on the low side with the fluid delivery I had going on, but I didn't want to run it any higher because even at 22 psi I was making a lot of overspray and I was worried about dusting my wet coat with that overspray.

RP makes a pile of overspray.

But the gun is light, it definitely has the ability to lay clear nice and slick, and the "1.3" is plenty fast.