Napa Crossfire vs PPG Omni

if you can find a color you want in wanda, go with that....by a long shot. its far superior to most economy lines and as good as many premiums. i spray it every day. i like it so much better than the diamont i was paying 3 times as much for. after a year and a half i have no regrets switching to it in my shop. best thing i did in years.
 
Use Omni-plus if you ever go the Omni route. It covers as well as the premium lines, not the greatest quality but coverage is good. The regular Omni is like water
 
DATEC;n73250 said:
What are you restoring? or did I miss that part? What color are you doing or would like to do? or did I miss that also? I'm just kinda confused by what you are trying to accomplish and what your expectations are when you do get it done?
As for one being thinner then the other, to me dosen't mean much. I have done a 79' Chevy dump truck paint job that was a budget job. I used Nason Acrylic Enamel and it is thin (no reducer required), thinner then Centari but the coverage was good, the hold out was good and the shine was good (I seen it a year later).
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I'm restoring a 64 Chevy Impala, trying to go with an original color which is a lagoon blue metallic. I'm trying to get the best paint I can buy here locally and so far the local Napa jobber tells me that the code for that year can only be mixed with the crossfire paint and the local ppg jobber says they can only mix it in omni and I have not heard good things about either one. Wanda cannot find the code they can only try to match color from an existing paint from a part of the car which I have heard good things about wanda.. I would like a show car quality job and I'm try to stay as original as I can. This will be a garage kept car but will be a driver not a trailer queen.
 
Your PPG jobber should be able to use their camera to take a pic of the original color and make a custom mix for you. You will have to buff a part clean and take it to them and their camera and computer system will design a custom formula that should be reasonably close. You can then do a spray out and compare it to the original and they can help you tint it to get it closer and once you get it to where you are happy with it they can then apply the change to the mix formula and record it for future mixes.
 
Omni and DBU are the only two PPG basecoat systems that use the old style metalic-this is why your jobber says it can only be mixed in Omni, I bet they do not mix DBU. You can have them do a color read on an original part or on one of your test panels and like DATEC says-they can mix up something reasonably close in DBC-deltron, Global, or NEXA. This is what most people do. The color will be close but the metalics will be more brilliant than the original color. I wouldn't shoot Omni anything on a 64 Impala. I've never tried crossfire-NAPA/Martin Seniour got chased out of this area in the early 90's and Shermin Williams isn't popular here either.
 
Being BC/CC vs. singlestage the look of the color compared to original will never be right anyway. Pick a good quality paint and get a formula dialed in that is close.
 
Bob Hollinshead;n73267 said:
Being BC/CC vs. singlestage the look of the color compared to original will never be right anyway. Pick a good quality paint and get a formula dialed in that is close.
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That's what we recommend to our customers, Actually we recommend finding a modern paint code that is as close as possible to the original, that way no matter where the car goes, as long as there is a record of the paint code, it will be a breeze to repair.
 
Bob Hollinshead;n73267 said:
Being BC/CC vs. singlestage the look of the color compared to original will never be right anyway. Pick a good quality paint and get a formula dialed in that is close.
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Okay it's starting to make sense, I couldn't understand why the jobber couldn't mix the deltron with the same code as the Omni and they don't explain why. So from what I understand is the deltron ppg line is best quality, wanda and pro spray is good quality and stay away from Omni and crossfire? Another question I have is will the SPI Universal clear work on the delton, wanda and pro spray. Thanks for every ones input as I said before I'm a novice at this.
 
I wouldn't rate PPG's Deltron line as their best, it is good but I like Global a lot more and Nexa is also topnotch from what I hear it's their premium solvent based system. I have no experience with Wanda or Pro-spray, they both might be comparable to PPG's best.
 
I was talking to my jobber today and we got Dupont on the phone and I explained your situation and they went into their archive formulas, converted it and sent me the formula for Chromabase. My jobber then took that formula, converted that to a gallon mix and gave me the gallon mix label. I know you were looking into PPG but if you would want I would be happy to get it to you, just let me know.
 
Bob Hollinshead;n73280 said:
I wouldn't rate PPG's Deltron line as their best, it is good but I like Global a lot more and Nexa is also topnotch from what I hear it's their premium solvent based system. I have no experience with Wanda or Pro-spray, they both might be comparable to PPG's best.
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Never liked Global at all. I've never had anything but good results with Deltron. What is neccesarily better about Nexa or Global in your opinion Bob?
 
DATEC;n73285 said:
I was talking to my jobber today and we got Dupont on the phone and I explained your situation and they went into their archive formulas, converted it and sent me the formula for Chromabase. My jobber then took that formula, converted that to a gallon mix and gave me the gallon mix label. I know you were looking into PPG but if you would want I would be happy to get it to you, just let me know.
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Sure I would appreciate it if you could get that to me, I'm looking at all options and I found out we have a dupont jobber here, Thank you
 
Dupont coatings is Axalta now. Having that jobber means you could also get Spies-Hecker or Standox. No offense to those who like Chromabase, but I don't like base coat that can't be sanded per the tech sheet. Never could figure out how you were supposed to fix little mess-ups.
 
i agree with crash . chromabase sucks . i had nothing but hell with it switched back to ppg . i prefer concept single stage .
 
I won't get into the sanding part as the latest tech sheet says nib sanding is ok but requires recoating with more base.
Aside from that if you have a smart phone my wife can send you a pic of the labels (I don't have a smart phone). You can pm me the number or your email I
will get it to you, from there your jobber should be able to help you if you would like Premier instead he should be able to convert it for you.
From there you can also deside which brand you would like to use, Chromabase is what my work place uses and I have a good relationship with the jobber.
 
Chris_Hamilton said:
Bob Hollinshead;n73280 said:
I wouldn't rate PPG's Deltron line as their best, it is good but I like Global a lot more and Nexa is also topnotch from what I hear it's their premium solvent based system. I have no experience with Wanda or Pro-spray, they both might be comparable to PPG's best.
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Never liked Global at all. I've never had anything but good results with Deltron. What is neccesarily better about Nexa or Global in your opinion Bob?
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Global is tougher to spray-people switching from DBC to global usually have mottling problems-at least the painters I've talked to. I think the resins in Global are better quality maybe-the durability has been better from what I've seen. Coverage is better than DBC too IMO. Nexa is supposedly a step above Global qualitywise according to the reps I've talked to but I have never used it personally-the stores in this area stock the shops that have Nexa mix banks but none of the stores mix Nexa for over the counter sales. And it sure doesn't pay for a one man band to have a mix system-the tints go bad faster than they'd be used. I wonder what Ferrari is using for paint now-at one time they used PPG Global...it is good stuff.
 
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