Met a PPG Rep today

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Senile Old Fart

Total asshat.
I was talking with the store manager at professional finishes and suggested he carry SPI. He said he had never heard of it.
I tell him a bit about SPI and a guy walks into the front from the back room.
Tom asks him if he had heard of it, he acts indignant and says yes, cheap stuff.
I begin to confront him about his opinion and he heads back where he came from.
Man is a POS.

Told Tom it's ok, Barry is glad to ship it direct to my house at no charge and I wont be buying any more primer or clears from him or PPG.

End of story.
 
Isn't it interesting how quick jobbers and shops that are contracted with one of the major paint lines say that "they have never heard of SPI". Let's face it, all you have to do is search for anything paint related on the internet and SPI comes up somewhere. People like this are either denying that SPI exists because they are in bed with the majors, or they have no interest in improvement. Whichever it is, I will never let one of those "asshats" touch one of my cars again. I like that SOF...asshat, haha!
 
I had a buddy that is a dupont rep. One day I said SPI. He hasn't talked to me since... go figure
 
Ha.. Good stuff.. Forget about it.. Its business.. I personally have had much hate my way over the years once I began to speak well of spi products and Barry!!

For some products made in a bathtub, it sure stirs up controversy doesnt it??

Heck I even lost my mod status at a forum over it.. Had my personal PM's read by the owner, and received a phone call from the owner after he read through my mail and did not like my response to someones question.. Yeah, you read that correctly.. He read a reply to someones question.. Did not like my response. Removed my reply so the person would never get it then he blocked me from the site initially, then I assume once he had went thru every piece of info I had on there, he reinstated me and soon thereafter removed my mod capabilities and turned the forum over to a bunch of turds.. It is what it is..

People are always going to talk.. No matter what you do in this life.. Good, Bad or Indifferent.. People will talk..
 
Right now over at Kustom Kulture Lounge there is a thread there entitled Problem in clear...tiny pin holes in the Base/Clear Coats, Kandies and Flakes forum. Anyway this guy has bought some SPI clear and is getting tiny bubbles in it and just cant get the SPI to work for him. So like any other place there is a certain few that say you get what you pay for cause they have never heard of SPI. I told him to package it up and Ill gladly take it. LOL!
 
I've honestly never seen another paint line just rub so many people the wrong way....its really quite funny. You dont see guys taking nasty shots at summit...kirker...matrix....and the others. But when it comes to spi....its in a whole different category. Being a SPI user is like being a Conservative in this political society.....i love it. lol.

The only viewpoint i can see for not using spi, and its a very small one, is the fact that if you've used a product for 10 years and has never given you any REAL problems...its hard to make that switch to something you dont know. But after getting on here and talking to guys and seeing the work thats been done with spi....and knowing guys have been using it for 10 years is enough proof for me. Then once you spray it, it is a no brainer.

I convinced a friend of mine to start carrying spi when he opened up his paint store a few months ago. He went from only stocking it for me, a little at a time under the front counter......to buying in bulk and has one large shelf in the center of the store dedicated to spi products only...and is about to fill up another shelf with more products. Says it is taking off like crazy. This is only in 3 months time.

What people dont realize is, it would be hard for barry to make a junk product and provide the customer support that he does. Could you imagine the calls he would get if he was producing JUNK. SPI would NOT be growing either, if he was producing JUNK. The more people that jump on this "bandwagon" the more those naysayers dont care to comment anymore because anything they say cant be backed up. The masses are against them.
 
imho and in this part of the country most every paint rep is a failed painter and lazy as hell. we call them " all hat , no cattle " . they lie when the truth would sound better and will say anything to keep the product in your shop. i had all of them i could stand in the 70'-80's . they would bring regional reps to my shop and waste a day of my time with bullshit stories about new and improved . believe me they no longer visit my place .

i love the 35 year experts on a few other sites that a couple years ago argued with everyone including barry about using it. they know tell another story. one claims to have used it for 5 years or so but only heard of it 2 years ago. ignore the wannab's that talk trash. they are simply jealous and usually a complete failure at running their own shop or just somebodies shop monkey . as i've said before , the better you get the worse you are . it's part of the trade.
 
Ya my good friend who works at basf isn't happy that I spray spi. But I just told him price isn't everything. Try it and see before you judge anything.
 
i feel the same way about Adjusters that formerly worked as a Body shop guy or owned his own shop for years!!!

when i first started using Pro-spray Base my guy that mixes my bases kept on and on about getting together with the Pro-spray rep in my area!!!

i kept saying no i have not the time or want to hear his shit!

well they did a sneak attack on me 1 day,took up about 4 hours of my time,mainly talking up Pro-sprays clears and Primers since all i was using was the bases.

i told him over and over how i used SPI on everything but the Base(b/c they dont make them).

he proceed to tell me it was inferior to a degree to his product,Blah Blah Blah!!!!

after that i got very pissed and told him i loved the Shit and would continue to use the Product of my choice,the Guy then went to another tactical field!!

Putting my shop down,telling me a bunch of BS and at 1 point i felt like he was threatening the EPA on me!!!!!

he has never came back and will never ever step foot on my Property again!!!!

i told Barry the full story right after the SOB left!!!

come to find out he Knew of him.lol!!!!!!!!


moral to the story they are all mainly wash ups and wannbes and push there product to the end....

i have found that the best response is no response and keep on doing what works for you!!!!


SPI is far superior to anything i have ever used and i by no means am the oldest in the group but Bodywork and Shops go back several generation in my family so i have been around and used several products from several different companies.


they can all suck my ASS!!!!!!!


Travis.
 
Hotbo;9937 said:
i feel the same way about Adjusters that formerly worked as a Body shop guy or owned his own shop for years!!!


Travis.
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I really don't understand that statement. Most of the adjusters in this area have no autobody repair experience. That shows with their estimates, as they don't know what it will take to repair a car. Would love to go back to the time when all adjusters were former bodymen.

Unfortunately, as far as paint sales reps, sales people feel like they have to put down someone else's product to make theirs look better. Besides the flaws in their products, it is also because they really know very little about the product themselves. Hey.... if they really knew their products maybe they wouldn't be pushing them so hard. LOL

Aaron
 
jeremyb;9813 said:
I've honestly never seen another paint line just rub so many people the wrong way....its really quite funny. You dont see guys taking nasty shots at summit...kirker...matrix.... .
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Man, where have you been.
Just mention ANY lower cost line, especially Kirker and you'll
get so much crap it's unbelievable.
It's happened on all the forums, including this one as well.
SPI users have bad-mouthed those competitors just as well.
If it costs less-it can't be good.
Unless of course it's the one THEY use.:mad:
 
hotbo , not only would i have drop kicked both of them out the front door i would have raised hell with prosray until they hated to see my name. i would also have found a new supplier.
 
jcclark;9946 said:
Man, where have you been.
Just mention ANY lower cost line, especially Kirker and you'll
get so much crap it's unbelievable.
It's happened on all the forums, including this one as well.
SPI users have bad-mouthed those competitors just as well.
If it costs less-it can't be good.
Unless of course it's the one THEY use.:mad:
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True, but i dont see anyone taking any personal shots at the owner of kirker...Guys have took shots at barry because of SPI's listing address and the labels of his products in the past. Probably a lot more that i dont know about. They've done everything they could do to discredit SPI in every way......mainly because they just dont like barry for one reason: He tells the truth and doesn't sugar coat anything. A lot of people just cant get over that. They cant get over the fact that there is a paint company out there that truely cares about its customers and puts customer service up there right beside quality. To those who say they are happy with their supplier, they havent been introduced to SPI. I was decently happy with my sikkens supplier...i'm a smaller shop so i could see some slacking in their service but learned to deal with it, until i discovered spi. You get treated the same as that the shop spending 30k a month.

I'll repeat what the ppg store told me "You cant have quality and service at the same time" That is the mentality of the majority of the suppliers out there. When metalux came to town, the salesmen told us that he didn't have ANY info on the paint he was selling.....said he didn't need any or didn't need to explain the product...because it sells itself! Come on!! We tried it, and repainted the car in sikkens.
 
my opinions on paint lines is from personal experience . matrix cost me a small fortune in time a labor. my opinion is it is crap. same with many others. just like the gm guy raving about k36. 80's tech and had more problems than it was worth. but the ones who slam on spi all the time are mostly google warriors and wannabe's . barry has called them out on bullshit advice and made them look like the fool the are . comes with the territory . the better you get the worst you are.
 
ADTKART;9945 said:
I really don't understand that statement. Most of the adjusters in this area have no autobody repair experience. That shows with their estimates, as they don't know what it will take to repair a car. Would love to go back to the time when all adjusters were former bodymen.

Unfortunately, as far as paint sales reps, sales people feel like they have to put down someone else's product to make theirs look better. Besides the flaws in their products, it is also because they really know very little about the product themselves. Hey.... if they really knew their products maybe they wouldn't be pushing them so hard. LOL

Aaron
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Aaron what i mean by this statement is the Adjusters in my area or surrounding area for that matter that have had or where Bodymen,usually want to talk about how great they were at this and that?

they just couldn't hack it anymore or some sort of other problems.


and for the most part they are the ones that cut me the most on repairs!!!!


just like anything you get some good ones and some bad ones,i generally don't like any of them,lol!!!!!!!!!!!
 
shine;9947 said:
hotbo , not only would i have drop kicked both of them out the front door i would have raised hell with prosray until they hated to see my name. i would also have found a new supplier.
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i get a long great with my supplier once he figured out i didn't want any of them at or around my shop anymore!

wish i could find another supplier closer but thats the perks of where i live,lol!!!!!!!!

i still have hate for the SOB REP!!!!!!!!!
 
I have the highest regards for Barry and use his products,
but I am not a "blind loyalty" person though,
if Barry started cheapening product , I'd leave.
(I'm sure it will never happen).
Sorry Barry, it's business. He understands that.

His help and info is an added bonus for me,
and is there for anyone, wether they use his products or not.
So that alone won't keep a customer.
It has to be quality and relative to price.
There would have to be a big difference for me to change to another brand.
Sticking with the same product is always a good thing in the long run.

You gotta remember, no matter what brand you're talking about, there are
many, many painters that use it and swear by it, even the brand that
someone will swear is the worst out there.
We all do things differently so some brands will fair better than others for any
of us but a good brand like SPI will do well for everyone (if used properly).
And that's the key-doing it properly.
 
I make it a rule not to speak badly about a product that I do not have first hand knowledge of. I used to go to a couple of other car forums and finally gave them up. I was attacked because I would not hesitate to recommend SPI if someone would ask. I didnot push the product unless a recommendation was requested. It seemed that the people that were the True Followers of Kirker would take over the sites and attack anyone that mentioned SPI. It got where I would simply send a PM to anyone that ask for a recommendation, explaining the situation and suggesting SPI products. I have since just given up on the other sites. This one and Metalmeet.com are now the only forums that I go to. I will let the people on the other sites fend for themselves.

As an added note...... There was a certain individual that regularly bad mouthed SPI and attacked me on one of the other forums. I found out after I quit going there that they had actually tried SPI and now will use it regularly. They will not, however, post online to that effect.

Aaron
 
just like the pro's who use omni or nason. there is just a certain level of quality that must be followed. there is no place for those products in a top shelf restoration.
 
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