Clearcoat over epoxy

I'd like something with good UV proteciton if I'm going to use single stage. Pro-spray? something else?
 
To answer you guys questions, the radiator with black epoxy and 3-4 coats of clear looks like a black base but if you were to put it next to a Toyota black it would have a brown cast to it.
It would probably match a five year old blazer better as those were kinda brown or gray shade if I remember right.

To make a black/black base the carbon is ground about an extra day for a real fine grind and then a little phlo blue is added, cost wise, this just could not be done with the epoxy.
 
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Pro Spray does make a good single stage.. You can add SPI flattening adjent to adjust the gloss.. You can also add extra reducer ( it mixes 3:1:1 ) to thin it down more.. It wouldnt hurt a thing in my opinion as its thick to begin with.. So far in my experience with pro spray, it doesnt like 90+ high heat and humidity.. If you use a hot reducer like 895 with slow activator it does pretty good.. .They dont make a very slow activator, that is where the 895 really comes into play

UV protection should not be an issue.. It is a solid product!
 
thanks for the warning on prospray and hot temps. living in texas, I'll make sure i spray first thing in the morning

the nice thing is I have a prospray dealer jsut a few miles from my house. I think I"ll get the SS from them.
 
Thanks for the replies guys! My biggest deal was wondering if the epoxy would look brown compared to the rest of the truck. Bondo, thanks for the reply on the comparison between the toyota black and the epoxy. I'll buy a quart of base, done deal.
 
In Germany, there's a manufacture that produces epoxy in different colors (any RAL code). Here's the link for the RAL 9005 (deep black): http://www.schenker-stc-shop.de/default.aspx?ID=0&KID=30&PID=537&BID=992&action=shop.detail&Page=2&t=2K+Epoxy+Metallgrund+5:1+(+ca.+RAL+9005+tiefschwarz+)+. Sorry, the link is in German, but you can use "Google translate" to read it.

So if you buy epoxy in the color shade you want, will be it OK to clear it? What kind of gloss can one expect with epoxy + clear on top?
 
No on Epoxy and clear for goodness sake guys. Buy some base or single stage and clear that!!!!!!!!!!
 
OK, I get it: no clear on epoxy and I am not going to do that.

But I am a beginner painter and for me it's important to learn why certain things work and other - don't. So is it because adhesion of clear is going to be compromised? Or is it just because it's going to look bad? Sorry for my persistence.
 
Vlad;10988 said:
OK, I get it: no clear on epoxy and I am not going to do that.

But I am a beginner painter and for me it's important to learn why certain things work and other - don't. So is it because adhesion of clear is going to be compromised? Or is it just because it's going to look bad? Sorry for my persistence.
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Vlad, I'm no expert on this but I think one of the reasons is that epoxy primers don't have much UV protection built in, so the sun will make them weak and fade out. It will only cost you a bit more money to buy the basecoat to do it right, that way you don't compromise any part of the paint job.

I'm sure there are other reasons why is not a good idea, hopefully someone will explain it much better than I can.
 
Thanks Jorge. I thought that basecoats don't have any UV protection either and it's the clear that protects the basecoat's pigments from fading out. I could be wrong of course.

It would be great if Barry could explain this. He mentioned that he did that actually. So he knows why that is not a good idea. This would save us, those who are beginners, from trying to do that in order to understand what exactly is wrong with this. I am really inclined to shoot some epoxy + clear on a peice of metal to find out what's wrong with this.
 
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Well I done did it. It looks pretty black to me. Its no daily driver though. I'm also using unreduced SPI black epoxy on the tailpanel of my Chevelle, has the perfect sheen for the semigloss black on SS cars.:cool:
 
You asked why... here is why i say what i say!!



Bondoking;9890 said:
I guess I am going to be the only one to ask the question here..

WHY???

I love the epoxy.... It is an extremely versatile product!!..

The top panels of the car... Personally I dont see it belonging there!

Compare it to Toyota Jet Black base,, Which is what I have been told over and over is the blackest black..

They dont compare.. I did a side by side in the garage one time.. I shot some metal with black epoxy, then black base.. I separated the sections 2 inches wide with masking tape..
The base was darker deeper rich black if that makes sense.. The epoxy had a brown hue to it in comparison.. This was all spi.. SPI epoxy and SPI black base..

In an engine compartment.. Great.
Brake booster, and engine components.. Great
Undercarriage.. Great
Wheel Wells.. Great

On top surfaces of your several 100's of hours invested for your paint job???
Makes me nervous..
Id rather see you use a top quality base that is activated for black stripes, and louvers instead of epoxy..

I have cars with activated black base on them for stripes and louvers passing 4 summers now and they still look great..

I am not knocking the epoxy.. Nor am I here to piss on anyone's parade..

You do as you wish.. I know Barry is the expert on his products.. I just could see people using this as a topcoat and when it failed to meet their expectations down the line, they would blame Barry and perhaps a thread like this..

Barry knows there is no malice in my post, I simply wanted to ask the question why, and to note caution that if you use this product incorrectly.. Be prepared for what may come..

Epoxy is not to replace base coats or single stages on top surfaces of cars in my humble opinion..
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Barryk;11011 said:
That hood is a master piece of work.
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Beautiful job !


The W-25 hood on the Cutlass and the ZL-2 hood on the Camaro are my 2 all time favorites. Just wish I still had the 70 W30 and 69 Z28
 
Thanks for the compliments guys.
Bondoking;11012 said:
You asked why... here is why i say what i say!!
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Bondo, I'm not disagreeing with you at all. I'm fully aware that epoxy is not intended to be a color coat. I made the decision to use it a such for a couple reasons, it has, as far as I'm aware, a sufficient amount of UV protection, and the clear over it should give it additional protection. The car is always stored in a climate controlled environment and will not be driven on a daily basis. The color of the black is irrelevant to me. Black is black enough for the application. If I need to have it matched, I know exactly where to get it.:) For what its worth, it looks fantastic under the clear, and I wouldn't hesitate to do it again.
 
Looks good, I've seen the exact same thing done on a chevelle SS hood-the builder was putting the car together for auction and sealed the hood with white epoxy, taped off the stripes and shot the main color then cleared it complete. It should hold up just fine I bet.
 
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