buffing orange peel 100 percent flat, best methods

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bmxpegan411

HI Guys,

I'm trying to buff my car nearly show flat, but when I cleared it with Euro 2020 I got more orange peel than I'd like. I've found that 1000 grit on a hard block followed by 2000 on a soft block gets rid of a lot of it, but on curves and places I may have been too far away and really peeled it the orange peel still is noticeable.

Is there a way other than flow coating the car to eliminate the orange peel completely?

Thanks!
 
if you think you can jump from 1000 to 2000 you are wasting time. you will have shiny 1000 grit scratches.
sand with 1000 and reclear.
 
Shine - When clearing after wet sanding how do you prep the paint? Should it be wiped off with cleaner or is tack rag fine? I have always wanted to try this method but nervous. I would see white residue from wet sanding under the second application of clear.
 
killerbee812 said:
Shine - When clearing after wet sanding how do you prep the paint? Should it be wiped off with cleaner or is tack rag fine? I have always wanted to try this method but nervous. I would see white residue from wet sanding under the second application of clear.
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After wet sanding for the flow coat you can go over it with a grey scotch pad and water to remove the hazy sanding marks left behind. Just go in all different directions while doing it, it might get foamy when doing it this way but that is normal but should get rid of those job ending issues, remember to use a flat hand mostly the palm. NO finger gouging and you don't have to put a whole bunch of pressure on the pad just enough to clear/clean the surface of those marks.
 
I usually wash my panels with Dawn dish detergent and towel dry
after wet sanding. Nothing else needed before painting.
 
If you put the clear on thick enough, why not just keep wetsanding flat?
I'm no pro but a thick piece of black rubber i got somewhere is what i use for concave areas.
Like shine said too- don't go from 1000-2000. 1500 at least inbetween.
A good 3000 finish kinda shows me what i got.

I like Bounty to dry. Always affeaid of something in washed towel.
Few rolls cheap enough. I don't start my cars without a half dozen.
 
90% of diy guys will not have enough clear in 3 coats to cut and buff. deep orange peel = 1 coat of clear. by the time it is flat you are down to min mills in most areas and far below in many others. this is why we see threads about cutting through to base all the time. best advice i can give is to lay down 3 coats , block with 1000 the reclear .
 
shine said:
90% of diy guys will not have enough clear in 3 coats to cut and buff. deep orange peel = 1 coat of clear. by the time it is flat you are down to min mills in most areas and far below in many others. this is why we see threads about cutting through to base all the time. best advice i can give is to lay down 3 coats , block with 1000 the reclear .
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Let say on a hood how many coats or how many oz of mixed clear you do when you know you have to wet sand,,this will give me a good point reference .
 
Do you think you will have enough mil thickness if you do 3 wet coats of euro clear wet sanding with 800,1000,1500,2000 ,,trying to find a good not crazy expensive mil gauge.
 
So how many mil you will have if you do what shine is saying Crashtech?
 
Danny23 said:
So how many mil you will have if you do what shine is saying Crashtech?
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Too many variables to know, we all spray different.

What Shine and Crash are recommending is for you to do a 3+2, or 3+3 coats clearing twice.

If you do flow coating the second round of clear will lay down very slick and you will do less sanding to get a flat finish.

You may even skip 800 and start with 1000 and work your way up to 2500 or 3000 Trizact 3M. Or buy some green and black bufflex from Eagle Abrasives which is like 2500/3000 grit equivalent.
 
I use this gauge. It is affordable and you can get it on eBay for about $120.... Tecpel TG-902
 
Jorge M. said:
Too many variables to know, we all spray different.

What Shine and Crash are recommending is for you to do a 3+2, or 3+3 coats clearing twice.

If you do flow coating the second round of clear will lay down very slick and you will do less sanding to get a flat finish.

You may even skip 800 and start with 1000 and work your way up to 2500 or 3000 Trizact 3M. Or buy some green and black bufflex from Eagle Abrasives which is like 2500/3000 grit equivalent.[/

True like this hood i did 3 coats about 12 oz of clear and was gonna do a quick 800,1000,1500,2000 is white
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The problem with using a guage now is you have no idea how many mills are under the clear that would be everything on top of the steel, so you will have no idea what you have unless you were measuring every layer of every product you applied.
 
DATEC said:
The problem with using a guage now is you have no idea how many mills are under the clear that would be everything on top of the steel, so you will have no idea what you have unless you were measuring every layer of every product you applied.
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Exactly!
To the original poster.....you need a reference point to use this as intended.

Mike
 
DATEC said:
The problem with using a guage now is you have no idea how many mills are under the clear that would be everything on top of the steel, so you will have no idea what you have unless you were measuring every layer of every product you applied.
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Yeah i was gonna check after done with base and once clear is dry and after sanding and buffing a few times so i can know im doing if i need to apply more clear or less..
Many people don't care about things like this but i wanna know what im doing like let say yesterday i did a ram rt hood with 3 wet coats (12oz) did 800,1000,1500,2000 3000
 
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