any thoughts on what to use on this rust?

tomsteve

tomsteve

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wasnt sure where to put this as it doesnt pertain to auto stuff.
these are some pics of rust on kennel panels as a rescue i volunteer at. local animal control doesnt want rust as its porous and could potentially hold contagious crap. sooo, we want to remove/treat the rust and put a coating on it.
now, no disrespect to who did it the 1st time and how they did it but they used rustoleum oil based silver paint. i think prep was just wire wheel and it didnt last long so im lookin for another product ( hopefully with a silverish color) that would last.
any assistance will be greatly appreciated as these panels are quite pricey to replace and trying to have these one last and pass inspection until they can get a new facility built in a couple of years.
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Media blast to clean bare metal, then two coats of unreduced epoxy primer.

Personally, I would be tempted to leave it in epoxy if it only needs to last two years. You could add a little black epoxy to a gallon of white to get an off white color. A gray color might work even better.

I will be interested to see what others may recommend.
 
chevman said:
I don't understand why Por 15 would last any longer there than it would on a car.
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It won't. But it sounded like the goal was a temporary fix "a few years."

It's kennel fencing, not a '66 GTO.

For a simple, temporary fix (without a compressor as stated) I'd wire brush it, hit it with POR and rattle can some rustoleum on it and call it good.

Spot won't mind :)
 
Many organizations like this exist on a "shoe string" budget and whatever paint/labor is used is donated etc. or they have access to. Moisture in the air from washing out the kennels etc. does not help whatever is chosen as a coating.

My guess is "lasting a couple of years" mean a lot longer if funding to replace is not on the horizon;

Not a perfect world but the best that can be done for many without rich deep pocketed parishioners or volunteers/board who know how to navigate charitable foundation grants. Rural churches suffer this fate on a daily basis.

I did something similar one time using Masterchem/Kilz Hammerite hammer paint without any primer. Just hand sanded with a maroon Scotchbrite pad , wire brushed to give a tooth to the surface and went right over the surface rust remaining. Wiping down with white vinegar will give a bit of acetic acid bite. Rustoleum makes a similar DTM product today. Sprays well with just about anything even a HVLP turbine at 19-21 second viscosity in a Ford #4 cup reduced with xylene. Perhaps 8-9 years later--still okay with adhesion for exterior use but faded significantly.
 
I think you might also have to consider something that would be non-toxic (or the least toxic you can get) if it flakes off and then something that can withstand when pups put their front paws up like the little guy is doing in the pic and scratch the coating. I know you said this is really short-term, but just some thoughts that came to mind.
 
chevman said:
Is spot in prison, how long is his sentence? :) I don't understand why Por 15 would last any longer there than it would on a car.
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detention- not prison. :) names white tail. her detention ends when someone adopts her.
i dont think the panels see the abuse the undercarriage of a hooptie with por 15 on it would see. :) probably more urine than the undercarriage of a car but the dogs dont pee THAT high. :)
most abuse is what was mentioned- paws/claws scratching. they do see water daily as the kennels have to be sanitized daily. not sure what chemicals they use for sanitizing but i dont think its bleach- at least ive never smelled bleach in there and ive been in there shortly after cleaning.
 
D.A.T. said:
My guess is "lasting a couple of years" mean a lot longer if funding to replace is not on the horizon;

Not a perfect world but the best that can be done for many without rich deep pocketed parishioners or volunteers/board who know how to navigate charitable foundation grants. Rural churches suffer this fate on a daily basis.

I did something similar one time using Masterchem/Kilz Hammerite hammer paint without any primer. Just hand sanded with a maroon Scotchbrite pad , wire brushed to give a tooth to the surface and went right over the surface rust remaining. Wiping down with white vinegar will give a bit of acetic acid bite. Rustoleum makes a similar DTM product today. Sprays well with just about anything even a HVLP turbine at 19-21 second viscosity in a Ford #4 cup reduced with xylene. Perhaps 8-9 years later--still okay with adhesion for exterior use but faded significantly.
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funding to replace has been going on for a few years. theyre 3/4 of the way there. not sure about the grants but i hear ya there. i used to volunteer at another rescue that built a mulit million dollar state of the art new facility on grants and a couple of deep pockets.

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A stripper wheel on an angle grinder and a some SPI epoxy. should be good far longer than a couple years. Animal rescue is a tough deal. We have been involved with Livestock guard dog rescue far over thirty years. Thanks.
 
I would use the mastercoat silver on this. It will hold up to that and will make them look aluminum. I would not be surprised if he gave you a discount or maybe even free. Pat’s an animal lover.

For that matter I wouldn’t be surprised if Barry were to give you a good deal on epoxy as well, because he gives a lot to shelters.

But I use the silver a lot on industrial farm stuff and the epoxy a lot on cars, and I am an animal research scientist and have designed lab animal containment systems before, and with all things considered, the silver would be a better/easier application here for what you’re trying to do.

It also won’t show scratches from dog claws like the epoxy will.

I’m in SW Michigan, what shelter do you volunteer at?
 
tomsteve said:
detention- not prison. :) names white tail. her detention ends when someone adopts her.
i dont think the panels see the abuse the undercarriage of a hooptie with por 15 on it would see. :) probably more urine than the undercarriage of a car but the dogs dont pee THAT high. :)
most abuse is what was mentioned- paws/claws scratching. they do see water daily as the kennels have to be sanitized daily. not sure what chemicals they use for sanitizing but i dont think its bleach- at least ive never smelled bleach in there and ive been in there shortly after cleaning.
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I hope they aren’t using bleach because that will make metal rust, even stainless steel. There’s a number of non corrosive antimocrobial and scent killing kennel cleaning products available.

And you are right…animal welfare regulations do not allow for rust or unpainted porous surfaces such as wood. Even concrete floors needs to be painted or sealed.

This is all especially important for shelters as they are disease havens. Parvovirus is one of the most common and one of the most difficult viruses to kill as well.
 
Lizer said:
I would use the mastercoat silver on this. It will hold up to that and will make them look aluminum. I would not be surprised if he gave you a discount or maybe even free. Pat’s an animal lover.

For that matter I wouldn’t be surprised if Barry were to give you a good deal on epoxy as well, because he gives a lot to shelters.

But I use the silver a lot on industrial farm stuff and the epoxy a lot on cars, and I am an animal research scientist and have designed lab animal containment systems before, and with all things considered, the silver would be a better/easier application here for what you’re trying to do.

It also won’t show scratches from dog claws like the epoxy will.

I’m in SW Michigan, what shelter do you volunteer at?
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thanks for the info. reads like this is what i should suggest.
K9 stray rescue league in oxford is the rescue. they pull dogs from detroit, genesee, and saginaw AC plus help a rescue out of arkansas called the artimis project. usually do a run once a month to springfield, IL to pick up a van load of dogs from them.
they also take owner surrenders.
2 of the longer timers there- dutchess and duece. duece ( the akita) is so dam funny. hes good at entertaining himself, smart as a whip, and a goof. dutchess is a big clingy lapdog.
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