#2100-1 2.1 VOC Clear. (Copy and paste0

Barry

Barry

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RodMan



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Location: South Daytona, Florida
Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 9:40 pm Post subject: HS 2.1

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Barry, any news on the reformulated HS 2.1? Is it ready and if so any feed back on it yet? I hope to get some on my next order.

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Barryk



Joined: 14 Jan 2006
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Location: Blairsville to Canton, Ga
Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 4:35 am Post subject:

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Got my first news last night on it.

Shop in Hattiesburg, MS sprayed a blazer allover and temp was 104 in booth.
Did not have to rush and said it looked dipped.

Other shop in Mobile, AL shot side of something? yesterday and used slow at 95 degrees in booth and slammed two coats with a 5 minute flash, second coat flashed in about 18 minutes. Perfect although they did get two runs.

Makes sense, my flash time was reading 12 minutes for first coat in the 90 degree range.

So far 2 for 2, its a winner but verdict still out.

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RodMan



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Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 8:55 am Post subject:

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Awesome! I'll get some on next order. Thanks...

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Barryk



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Location: Blairsville to Canton, Ga
Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 9:11 am Post subject:

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Caution is in order as far as activators, here is what I did.

Fast activator will equal Turbo clear with fast activator and fast reducer, very fast (105 gel time) in other words and to be used only on small items at 65 or warmer.

The medium activator is set up to dry same as the 4000 with the 4001-1.
(305 gel time)

The slow is extreme and most extreme I have, so as it cools the shops will need to blend the slow with the normal to accommodate the conditions they are spraying in.
(650 gel time)

I wanted a clear that would cure at 40 degrees and also could be sprayed at 120 degrees on an all over, price to be paid for this is the shop will need to learn the activators.

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barthmonster



Joined: 17 Mar 2007
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Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 10:07 am Post subject:

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It's good to see you taking care of those in California. Or am I out of touch, would there be a good reason to try this clear in places with little regulation ?

Maybe better to stick with the normal Universal...

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RodMan



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Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 3:48 pm Post subject:

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You have me very curious about the fast combo. You know what i have been asking for 3 years now

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Barryk



Joined: 14 Jan 2006
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Location: Blairsville to Canton, Ga
Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 7:29 pm Post subject:

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Do the math, 10 minutes slower but higher solids, so not sure the trade off.
It would be close though but no promises.
 
Had a first go round with the new 2.1 Production Clear (formally HS 2.1). In short; AWESOME!
Had one of my on-site customers try it first. Here are the details:
Mixed 4:1:1 with Fast activator and 885 reducer. Doing a spot blend on a new GMC suv, front bumper, driver side corner. Using a turbine hvlp gun setup.
Sprayed 2 coats with about a 4-5 minute flash. Burned in using 885 reducer. Could rub on it after 10-12 minutes in shade. Air temp was about 93 with a measured surfaced temp of 108.
Absolutely perfect match for light factory peel. Beautiful gloss. Buffed on the clear blend about an hour after shooting. (Left bumper under Easy-Up for ten minutes, then put out in sun for 30-45 minutes - overkill on bake time) Then buffed on blend area. Came out perfect!
For reference he was comparing it to Restorer's Choice Super30 speed clear and Euro 2020.
Customer said on a scale of 1-10 a solid 10.
Before he shot the customer car he sprayed 2 coats back to back on a test panel. No runs mixed 4:1:1. After about 2 hours he sanded the clear back down to original finish in one spot then hammered 3 coats of base to try and bust it up. It held with no reaction. It appears to be very repairable. I will do more tests to confirm.
Looking forward to seeing how it does on some bigger jobs as well with the mid and slow activators.
Barry, it appears you have another winner on your hands.
 
Rodman, he likes it more than the Universal? As an on-site guy I am always interested in quality products that set me above others yet make my job easier. Is there a tech sheet on this or is the HS sheet still applicable? What are the specs as far as build/ solids (not that it means anything to me but at least I can act like I know what I am talking about if someone asks).

I see gel time listed but how does that relate to actual dry to cut and buff time? How fast is this with accelerator?
 
I don't know if Barry has updated the tech sheet yet but the mix ratios are the same; 4:1. Based on what my on-sites need and use, this clear could be an excellent choice for them. Barry changed the name from HS 2.1 to 2.1 Production for a reason; it's what he considers a high medium solids clear. Where his other clears average 1.8 -2.2 mil per coat dry, this clear will build at about 1.5 mil dry. As high as many other high solids clears but less than Barry's others. With the fast activator mixed 4:1 it's pot life should be 1 1/2 hrs. Dry time to sand and buff about 30 minutes. Adding some reducer to it (fast or medium depending on temp) should speed it up a little more but with a little less film build. He uses Euro 2020 regularly not the Universal. I rarely sell Universal to any of my on-site painters.
 
We are getting great feedback and I really need it and thank people like Ed (rodman) for his real world testing.
Larry in Hattiesburg, MS is also another big help in the testing of this product.

Here is what we may know at this time.
Slow activator, is a slow activator for sure and if you get around 90 degrees or cooler, it should be blended with the medium. Kind of like you would with a retarder.

Medium has a good broad scale and will flash a little slower then the normal activator with the universal clear but kick the clear off at the same speed. So a side of car, it could be used at 55-90 degrees, pretty easy.

Fast is fast so beware and proceed with caution until more tests are done in the field or the temp gets under 65 degrees.
 
Round two update:
Body shop painter who has lots of gun time with Euro 2020.
Sprayed a hood, rear hatch, rear bumper and two canisters for an underwater propulsion device (like scuba divers use).
Mixed the clear 4:1 with half mid and half slow act. Booth temp about 92-93 degrees with heat on.
First coat flashed about 10-12 minutes. After second coat baked for 10 min. @ 125.
Looked very good except for some solvent pop on the hood where he hammered on extra coats to bury some fisheye (contaminants on those two spots likely)
Asked him to rate the overall spray and looks compared to Euro 2020. 1-10 gave it an 8.
The slow activator appears to be way slow; like Extra Slow Universal Act. The medium like a faster Universal Slow Activator. (Hope this makes sense)
Overalls with this clear should be very easy to do given the working time the mid and slow give you. So far very impressed.
 
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