PPG JBP Shopline vs. Dupont Nason vs. TCP vs. ProSpray

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jeffcat

Now, I'm new here, but I've done some researching on paint bases, but much of it seems anecdotal or based mostly off of anything other than research, so I have just come to accept it, but I would appreciate some opinions on which of these paints would work for my application.

The project is respraying a daily driver 1994 Honda Civic VX Hatchback that was originally Honda R81 Milano Red. Personally, I think Milano Red has too many pinkish undertones, so I am probably going to respray it PR1 Rosso...a red that is on the current Fiata 500s.
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As you can tell, this isn't a Shelby/FFR Cobra, Boss 302, Porsche 917, etc, so I just need something that is cost effective, but I still want the best value I can get in the salt belt of NW Ohio with a daily driver. So these are some of the paints I have looked at.

PPG Shopline(JBP series, not JB)-This paint is super cheap, but it comes recommended by the PPG guy. It mixes 1:1, but requires no hardener which does concern me a little bit. This seems like my best option at the moment. Would SPI reducers work better with JBP Shopline or should I just stick with JBP reducers? A gallon of paint plus a gallon of reducer only runs $260 total. 32% solids 170 sq ft coverage

Dupont Nason-Local auto store mixes it. Seems alright, but I hear horror stories and some good ones. It mixes 8 base:4 reducer:1/2 pint activator, which seems alright because the hardener I guess stimulates crosslinking and it adheres better. 222 sq ft coverage. $260 for just a gallon of base.

TCP Global-Kind of leaning away from them since Shopline and Nason are close. Have heard mixed reports.

Pro Spray-I wish I could tell you more, but I have called them and emailed them and never got back a response after a week now. Also, I don't know how much it costs to mix PR1-Rosso since it's a red, so if it's more than I'm willing to pay then...:confused:


Any feedback you guys have from using these products would be helpful in making a decision.
 
I would try to contact pro-spray again after the New Year, or try to get in touch with Chad S on here. I think pro-spray would be the best option for quality of the above mentioned paints, with Shopline plus (JBP) coming in second and Nason being third. I have had good luck out of all three on the type of job you're referring too. I would of course love to spray top shelf paints all of the time, but I don't expect a customer to spend more on materials than the value of the car either. I would recommend using the SPI reducers, they are the same price maybe a little cheaper even than the cheap stuff and 100 times better in quality. Finish it off with the production or Euro and you'll be riding with a shine in no time. Also you can add activator to the JBP if you wish to do so. I'm sure someone can correct me on this but I wnat to say 1-2 ounces per mixed ready to spray quart of base is right. Good luck with it and be sure to keep us informed. I am sure some others will jump in and may be of more assistance.

Kelly
 
x2 what carolina said. prospray then shopline. i am assuming that with shopline and not having an activator they are selling you a basecoat not a single stage so it will obviously need to be clearcoated if thats the case. spi clears do work good over the shopline base. i have a friend who did a truck in red shopline with universal clear over. looks great. prospray is on another level from the shopline though. its more a mid to upper level base. it will be the same as any other base and not need an activator but you can add it, 1oz per sprayable qt like CC said.
 
Thanks guys. I appreciate the feedback.

I'll try to get a hold of Pro Spray here next week as the body is more than likely going to be taken down to metal, and the previous owner hacked up some stuff, so I have to weld some pieces back together. Do you guys have any experience with reds from Pro Spray dealers and the cost of the paint? I was actually a bit surprised to see "Rosso" didn't have any orange tints in it when mixed in PPG JBP Shopline as it does give off a very slight orange hue, but I was aiming for red, researched probably about 50 different kinds of red for the past month, and saw the "Rosso" Fiat 500 at the dealership and made my choice there. :D

Also, what clear would serve an Ohio daily driven car best. I have no problem in price differences between the production, euro, or universal clears, but I have been debating which one would do the best in terms of durability and UV resistance. Obviously, I want it to shine well, but it's not exactly a show car...outside of the 65 MPG it gets. :encouragement:
 
Jeffcat,

I'm curious why you didn't include SPI Red single stage in your list. If those prices you quote are for basecoat, you have to add the price of clearcoat to the total. A gallon of SPI Red single-stage is $298.70 plus a quart of 2100-series activator for $30.64 totaling $329.34. That's $70 more to get this:
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Of course, you can always cut at buff that finish to get this:
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Obviously the photos produced the change in color so you should contact SPI to get a color sample before you decide. Almost forgot -- the red is available in basecoat and there is a dark red basecoat as well, although you're back in the clearcoat extra expense again.

Just a thought...
 
Bob Heine;33380 said:
Jeffcat,

I'm curious why you didn't include SPI Red single stage in your list. If those prices you quote are for basecoat, you have to add the price of clearcoat to the total. A gallon of SPI Red single-stage is $298.70 plus a quart of 2100-series activator for $30.64 totaling $329.34. That's $70 more to get this:
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Of course, you can always cut at buff that finish to get this:
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Obviously the photos produced the change in color so you should contact SPI to get a color sample before you decide. Almost forgot -- the red is available in basecoat and there is a dark red basecoat as well, although you're back in the clearcoat extra expense again.

Just a thought...
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I thought about it, but I'm just particular on the Fiat/Chrysler "Rosso" color. That red is a little too bright for my daily driver Civic hatch, but I can tell it looks great on classic cars and more modern performance cars...kind of reminds me of Ford's new "Race Red". I wanted something deeper and more pure red than the factory R81 Milano color, but not so in your face loud, that it would hurt the resale value of the car or have kids in 100hp Civics try to race me in my economy car at every stop light. :D

I wanted to go base/clear anyways, plus I'm real particular about colors. Some work well on some cars better than others, but when your car is a pedestrian Civic hatchback, I try to keep it a deep, more subtle, and classy red that isn't super duper showy.
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Hi Jeffcat,

How about this Red that I had Chad mix up in SS ProSpray
The color is "PPG 73111 Red Mahogany"
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If SPI dark red doesn't have the look you want, my next choice would be Prospray for sure. I have gotten factory pack colors as well as custom mixes from Chad S.. The product is good, but Chad's service is even better.
 
I'm pretty satisfied with PR1 Rosso red. I also considered Ford E8 Vermillion Red, BMW Imola Red, Audi Amulet Red, Ford Rangoon Red, Superformance reds, GM Victory Red, various Viper and Flame reds, Ford Race Red, GM Salsa Red, Jaguar Salsa Red, Lotus Radiant Red, GM Red Hot red, and so forth. It's difficult to tell through a monitor how the reds exist in real life due to camera and monitor inconsistencies. I liked the pics of the Fiat and managed to see it in person, so I'm pretty set on color, just wanted to know what base would work best for the application.

Where is Chad located? I thought I skimmed over some topic where he was in Michigan? I'm in NW Ohio, so perhaps I could pull that off.

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packin31;33383 said:
Hi Jeffcat,

How about this Red that I had Chad mix up in SS ProSpray
The color is "PPG 73111 Red Mahogany"
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Funny that you mention it. I think I overlooked a picture of a Civic Hatch that was painted this exact color. It actually looked really nice on that Civic...classy and deep color, but I just had a preference for something with more of overall red hue.
 
Jeffcat,

I understand completely and only asked because of the relatively small price difference (I just spent $85 for one box [15] of 5000-grit Trizact disks). A friend bought a damaged 73 Corvette in 75 and had it re-painted at the same time as the repair. He chose 69 Ford Candy Apple Red and I think it looked better than any of the factory Corvette reds. Go with the red you like.
 
Let me give Chad a big thumbs up.
Easy to deal with.
Mixed to factory spec the silver and grey for a '79 Pontiac TATA.
Topped it with Barry's best clear.
Chad shipped to me here in Birmingham.
 
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