Paint Gun Adjusting

Bob Heine

Oldtimer
Written by Barry Kives - August 2002

This may sound trivial to an experienced painter but the fact is very few painters know how to adjust their paint gun. This one item separates a sprayer from a painter more than anything else. The fact is a painter that knows how to fine tune his paint gun will turn a lot more hours and have a lot less problems because he is controlling the paint and is not letting the paint control him. This is why 80-90% of the painters today hate to spray High Solids clears. They vision runs or orange peel and if you don’t adjust the gun properly this is what you will get make no doubt about it.

What tip should I use?
My personal feeling is for basecoat a 1.3 or 1.4 and for clear 1.4. The exception on the 1.4 for spraying clear would be certain HVLP guns where a 1.5 is made for spraying clear. And of course a true painter is only going to use gravity feed gun. Leave the old siphon feed guns for the enamel sprayers that they are made for, as these guns have no place in today’s body shops that are using Urethanes and Polyurethane’s.

What happens with an improperly adjusted paint gun?
If you’re applying basecoat chances are you’re applying it way too heavy and your blends are showing, your metallic are not lying down or standing out like they should so your color marches are a problem and the base is drying slower between coats than it should.

The number one clue the basecoat is going on too heavy is if you’re having a dieback problem with the clear after setting overnight (trapped solvents). If you’re applying clear the clear is controlling you instead of you controlling the clear. With a High Solids clear you try to spray it wet enough that the orange peel will flow out but hope that it doesn’t flow so much that it runs on you. The next day you tend to have a clear that looks cloudy or milky because of the trapped solvents and it requires a lot of wet sanding.

The benefits of adjusting the paint gun properly will be faster application of paint and you will know what the final job will look like when you spray it and not have to guess.

How do I properly adjust my gun?
Place a piece of masking paper on the wall, then set the fan how you like it. Adjust the air pressure to the rate that you plan to spray with. Screw in the fluid adjustment all the way. Hold the gun from the paper the distance that you would normally spray (usually 6-8 inches) and give the trigger a quick squeeze and release. If anything comes out of the gun it should be very little and dry.

Turn the fluid out one full turn and repeat this procedure half a turn at a time until you are getting an even pattern and the paint is even in build. If it is metallic the metallic should spray even as well.

At this point go to a rocker or bottom of a fender on the car and make a 12-inch pass. You will most likely have to back the fluid out one-half to one full turn to spray at the speed you want then fine tune your air pressure.

Now the gun is very close in adjustment, you should be able to lay the clear orange peel free with out running it, and metallic should spray even and wet with out much effort. Keep in mind this is not your last adjustment; every base color will spray a little different and may require a half a turn in or out for the new color. If you're going from a high solids clear for an all-over to a spot repair clear you will need to make a minor adjustment again.

A simple formula to remember is orange peel is fluid adjustment and run control is an air pressure adjustment. If you’re getting a few runs try upping the air pressure 5-10 pounds more.

One final note, spend the money for a good set of paint guns! This is your career and the paint gun makes or breaks you as far as labor hours turned. NASCAR drivers don’t buy their race engines at a parts store to save money, so why would a painter want a $200 gun? Spent the $400-600 for a good base gun and again for a good clear gun the payback will be faster than you think. You will always get what you pay for with a paint gun!
 
and every time a professional painter recommends a quality gun they get flamed by the lords of harbor freight . as soon as a 200 dollar gun kit is mentioned i stop listening. you cant fix stupid.
 
shine;5429 said:
and every time a professional painter recommends a quality gun they get flamed by the lords of harbor freight . as soon as a 200 dollar gun kit is mentioned i stop listening. you cant fix stupid.
Those same guys believe a '55 Chevy V8 is just as good as a '55 Ferrari V12 and two AFBs are as good as six Webers. It's just the logo on the valve covers and carbs.

I took a couple of pictures and maybe they show the difference between a quality gun and a paint sprinkler.

The photo of the caps shows very little difference. Round holes are not very high tech and the Iwata cap on the left looks a lot like the Devilbiss Finishline cap on the right.

The photo of the nozzles, on the other hand, shows a huge difference. I'm pretty sure the masterpiece on the left (Iwata LPH400) took a pretty knowledgeable team a fair amount of time and money to design, test and manufacture. I'm also pretty sure the tip on the right (Devilbiss Finishline D-07) took a whole lot less time and looks a whole lot like the design was borrowed from the water hose I wash my car with.

Nothin' wrong with Harbor Freight -- I'm just sayin'.... Caps.jpg

Nozzles.jpg
 
only thing in harbor freight worth carrying out the front door is the cash register......
 
def. nothing wrong with harbor freight. i have a hf buffer going 2 years strong at a 30 dollar investment.
 
Bob Heine;5427 said:
And of course a true painter is only going to use gravity feed gun. Leave the old siphon feed guns for the enamel sprayers that they are made for, as these guns have no place in today’s body shops that are using Urethanes and Polyurethane’s.
!

I know some "un-true" painters apparently.
One I know, has owned a body shop for over 35 yrs and only uses
a Binks 7. He does great work.
I have one I don't use, but I can still get as good a finish with
it as my high dollar HVLP. In fact, my Binks 7 has a basecoat/clearcoat
needle and tip set on it, it was made for todays poly's.:cool:
 
i used my jga and binks 62 until the cloud and material waste got to be too much. i fought the change until the end. i bought several hvlp's and did not like them. then i bought the iwata. never looked back. the only other gun i would consider is a sata but i didn't like the idea of having to buy a complete kit just to replace a needle or nozzle.
 
Bob, I am not trying to be a smart a_ _, I'm just a rookie trying to understand...

The nozzle on the right looks more complicated than the one on the left to me. What am I failing to understand?
 
the first thing a novice painter needs to do is buy a quality gun . the second is buy quality paints. why ? because you are not a painter and need all the help you can get .
 
strum456;5463 said:
Bob, I am not trying to be a smart a_ _, I'm just a rookie trying to understand...

The nozzle on the right looks more complicated than the one on the left to me. What am I failing to understand?
I aspire to become a rookie. The real complexity is not the big holes, it's the little tulip right at the tip of the nozzle. The one on the right is just a cylinder while the one on the left has four carefully designed notches. Some work in fluidics I wrote about in the mid-70s introduced me to the amazing things you can make liquids do. Think of those four tulip petals pulling some of the paint outward and the four notches pulling the paint inward. Hold your finger in the stream of water coming from your sink faucet and bend your finger -- you'll see how the water follows your finger's surface. I think that tulip helps make the Iwata's spray pattern so much more even. It also lets you shoot paint much closer to the surface, reducing overspray while giving a huge fan.

I am not and was not a designer or engineer. I worked as a technical writer to try to make those guys and gals stuff a little more understandable.
 
I just may take your advice Shine. I've been using a Harbor Freight "purple" guns for years. They are junky...I go through atleast 1 per year. I have gotten pretty good results though.

At Barry's advice, I upgraded to a Astro 9011. I am excited to try it out. I'm planning to finally wrap up a 4 year restoration on my 34 Chevy this summer. Hopefully my new Astro will be up to the task. If not, I will be joining the IWATA club.
 
strum456;5467 said:
I just may take your advice Shine. I've been using a Harbor Freight "purple" guns for years. They are junky...I go through atleast 1 per year. I have gotten pretty good results though.

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good results are all that matters. u cant beat 12.99.
 
shine;5450 said:
i used my jga and binks 62 until the cloud and material waste got to be too much. i fought the change until the end. i bought several hvlp's and did not like them. then i bought the iwata. never looked back. .

My point exactly.
Just because it's HVLP doesn't mean it's a quality gun.
And vise-versa, just because it's a conventional doesn't
mean it's not.
There are plenty of "conventional" guns that spray better than some
of todays lower priced HVLP's.
 
astro's a good gun. never owned one but know many who did. it is light years ahead of the purple gun.
 
I got burned by Harbor Freight three times. That's three out of three for a perfect record of sending me junk. I couldn't even return it because the cost of return shipping would have eaten up most of my expected refund.
The thought of me spraying a classic car with high dollar paint through a 12.99 toy paint gun just doesn't sit well. I started out with a no-name gun, then an Astro EVO, moved to a SATA NR2000 and now an Iwata LPH400. Granted this doesn't make me an expert by any means but first hand experience with low end and high end guns proves to me that there is no comparison.
Cost prohibits many of us from starting out painting with a SATA RP in hand but having been down this road before I would advise that any serious newbie skip spending the few hundred dollars he'll waste on cheaper guns and go for something quality.

Shine, the cash register line made me laugh out loud.
 
i love the toy gun... i use it often.. not all the time i want to break out my 3k sata or lph400 to paint something and ill have at it with the harbor freight. when u sink 100 plus into a knockoff or cheap gun that u cant even get replacement parts for ur guna be pissed when u damage it or need parts... when i get a good life out of the harbor freight i either throw it away or scavange for parts. its a total win win.

i can get a great paint job out of a hf gun.. y cant u?
 
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