Chris_Hamilton
Trying to be the best me, I can be
That's his labor. What the Shop he works for paid him.
Being a painter. Is it worth it?
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serjik911
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No... Just work labour. I mean.... 5.5 hours of paint means: 5.5x70$ shop rate plus 5.5x50$paint supplies.which gives 660$ from insurance including materials. I get paid 23$ per hour so it's 126.5$ for myself
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serjik911
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Idk man, there's Facebook group of body and painters, and every second of them told they are doing 100-150 hours a week ez.
Big Dave
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Here’s your incentive to move on to something better. Make it happen.For me this whole job took around 6-7 hours. So I'm at 0.8
Chris_Hamilton
Trying to be the best me, I can be
Just not possible for many IMO. 100 is doable, 150 is darn near impossible. Maybe once every couple of months but not regularly. I gotta believe those who are saying they do it "EZ" are lying.
Serjik, that job you posted above was severely underestimated. Should have been around 9-10 hours. Makes me wonder if management is writing two sets of estimates. The real one and then the one they give to the employees. Would not be the first time that has happened. It's a favorite trick of shady owners. Had it happen at 3 different places I worked at. I would want to see the customer estimates not just the paper they give you.
Chris_Hamilton
Trying to be the best me, I can be
Have no estimating software now so just doing this from memory. CCC would give about this. Paint time: tailgate 3-3.5 hours, rear panel, 1.0-1.5 hours, Rt bedside 3.5-4.0 hours, deduct 1.0 for overlap. Paint =6.5 -8.0 hours. Looking at what you primed gotta be at least 2.0 hours repair time. Total 8.5-10.0 hours. If they only gave you 5.5 they are shaving the estimates. Gotta be cause no one would write that using CCC or Mitchell and only come up with 5.5 hours.
Here is my opinion on those 100-150hrs they are claiming to get per week. BULLSS@&T. I have been doing this for 35yrs and been flat rate for over 22yrs of those and can tell you unless they are working 16hrs a day 7 days week and even that it is a stretch and the work I guarantee will look like 2nd rate auction car material.
Everyone I have talked with in other shops have inflated incomes when that comes up. I have even asked to see pay stubs and nobody proved it to me. The one thing that can also be a sign is look at the employees parking lot and see what they drive, know any of them look at their house. One clown in Chief class was bragging about how he brings down 85-95k year yet drove a car that barely made it to the class and lived in a trailer in a trailer park, he showed me pics of his deer hunting mounts on his phone, and that told the whole story in my book.
Don't believe what any clown says unless they can prove it. Most people want to appear bigger then they really are.
Everyone I have talked with in other shops have inflated incomes when that comes up. I have even asked to see pay stubs and nobody proved it to me. The one thing that can also be a sign is look at the employees parking lot and see what they drive, know any of them look at their house. One clown in Chief class was bragging about how he brings down 85-95k year yet drove a car that barely made it to the class and lived in a trailer in a trailer park, he showed me pics of his deer hunting mounts on his phone, and that told the whole story in my book.
Don't believe what any clown says unless they can prove it. Most people want to appear bigger then they really are.
Chris_Hamilton
Trying to be the best me, I can be
Like I said in an earlier post. I have only ever seen 2 guys who could do 100-150 hours a week on commission consistently. And that was many years ago when there was a lot more fat in estimates than there is now. It would take a very specialized situation in a large Shop to be able to do anyting close to that now. And if you are trying to do the work correctly and achieve some semblance of quality forget it. Impossible. Shoot for 2 hours per hour worked. If you can achieve that you are doing well.
crashtech
Combo Man & Mod
I'm guessing you don't get to see the actual estimate.
P.S I wrote that up in CCC and came up with 7.8 hours, that's with no frills like feather & block, only a blend on the sill, 0.5 color match, and 1 hour of nib and polish.
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RosharonRooster
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Next one that rolls in tell the boss man to do it himself. Time to find a new job
serjik911
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Wait. There is time for nib and polish? I was told that it's free because it's my fault and painter is supposed to paint without any dirt and need to polish
dhutton01
Backyard Hack
Wow. I hope you can find a better shop. I suggested a while ago that you try to get a job in a good restoration shop. They are often looking to hire and there is no insurance BS.
Don
crashtech
Combo Man & Mod
It's regional. Where I live they refuse to pay for it, so we don't do it. I made an assumption in your case. But either way as a commissioned employee, no pay, no do. Their statement is a ridiculous lie, the kind that dirty adjusters tell.
The Mitchell or Motor programs are bought and sold by the insurance companies. For instance, a new 2003 F150 bedside replacement paid 14 hours, now pays 9.5. All body and paint times insurance companies are constantly finding ways to cut estimates. Paint times look extra hard to cut. The hourly labor and material is higher per hour than body times. Material is impossible to break even. Cost is not close to keep up. Paint time, for instance, a fender pays 2.5 then blend door to match pays 1.0. One hour door to sand panel, mask area, blend color, and clear. Our area is $52 pr/hr, $38 material. $150 labor, $133 material. My areas here are grouped into Houston labor and material rates. There is no cut and buff, color match, block and prime, etc., every time they cut paint saves insurance $. Blend times are a battle also. The same fender might pay the door, but hood, windshield pillar, etc. panels adjacent are a battle. And if any color says black, according to them, will not pay to be blended. As a painter trying to double pay hours to actual labor hours is getting harder than it was in past.