Is there a need?

Barry

Barry

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We have been looking into packaging in an aerosol can, a purging agent for using with the activators to get all the air out of the can before resealing.

Looks like the cost would be in the area of, $10 per can, give or take, not a set price but in the ball park.

Only thing that bothers me is the filling of the areo cans is out of our control and being a control freak that bothers me some, or this would have been done by now.

We have two new state of the art aero can fillers within 100 miles of us.

What do you guys think, any need, interest or just a waste of time??
 
It might be a good recommendation for those who leave opened products on the shelf for a long time. I imagine it might bring you some peace of mind as well, if guys are purging the oxygen and humidity out of those containers before a long sit on the shelf.

I feel I go through stuff quick enough, and observe proper and speedy re-capping of product, that it's not really necessary here. Oh, and it's usually very dry here, no humidity to speak of.
 
Is the cost and time/effort worth it to you is what I would be thinking Barry.. While you cant control the filling of the product, Im sure there are reputable companys that do a great job on their end.. Some questions I would have.

1. How much will this cost to set up.. IE.. labels, cans, cost of fill, space to store etc.. Does anything have to be built in the plant to house these cans, racks etc..

2. How much product do I think I will move monthly/annually.

3. Is it truly insurance.. You know if someone calls you and even if they did or didnt use that to purge a can of act. if its gone bad, you will replace it to the customer.. Your a giver Barry ole buddy, just face it.

4. How often do you get calls about the activator cans kicking off?? What clear activator is it or do all of them seem to be the same.. I have never had any of your activator kick of except for some of the HS years ago, but the can was 3/4 empty, so it was no surprise to me ;)

5. Would Barry Kives buy it and keep it on hand as a painter??

I dunno buddy, I think its a fantastic idea, however I dont think it would be a big mover.. Maybe at first to saturate your jobbers/shops, but I would assume a sharp drop off afterwards..

I know you have already thought of all this lol so Im just reiterating some idea's in your head
 
I would never use it and i cant see any of my customers buying it. I have never has a can go bad. I do use alot of material but i also have customers that do one or two cars a year and still dont have cans go bad. Im sure some people would use it but i Just dont think it would sell very much at all. Gotta remember the ones that would use it are the ones that paint once a year so how much could you really go through?
 
Jim's got a point, I guess if the question is "is there a need," then maybe, yeah, but it would be more as a customer service thing than a money maker.
 
The only customers I have that might make use of this regularly are my on-site painters who store their open cans on their trucks or trailers. Some will buy a gallon of primer every 3-4 months and will sometimes have their activators go bad before they finish the product. I can see selling a can or two a month, maybe. What I could sell is an aerosol blending solvent and or a gun cleaning solvent. :)
 
blending solvent!! there you go. thats something that gets used in shops every day. if guys use it often then they will run out of it which means they will need to buy more. aerosol is easy to grab and use and doesn't require 2 guns to do a blend.
 
Why not simply market cans of Bloxygen? It would be an easy upsell. Each can is $10 and is good for up to 75 uses. That I would buy from you. If you made a blender that would be great. What I would love to see you come up with, and this is simply dreaming, is a way to have an aerosol 2k primer where the two components are in seperate chambers in the can but are mixed as they exit the can. but not in the way that the current 2k aerosols are made. Ok, I will stop dreaming now.
 
I think thats more of a job for the can engineers not the guy making the stuff going in the can.
 
I can also see a lot of shops thinking why would I need that, and also seeing a lot of shops asking, are spi activators prone to going bad. The other companies don't offer such a thing..
 
Thanks to all for the great advice, you guys pointed out things, we had not thought of.

AAE, we have a policy, if we don't make it, we are not selling it, a good example is, I see a need for compounds but that has screwed up a lot of companies, when they start putting in lines of stuff that ,is same old stuff and just a different label.

I think we will now move on to our send 2nd idea of a blending agent.
 
Barry,

I think you are on the right track. I paint bicycles and therefore use small quantities. I just use a small nitrogen tank/regulator and blow gun that I set up and do exactly as you mentioned when I am done with an activator. I think anyone who really needed this would have done as I have already. Cans of bloxogen will cost a fortune after a while.
 
Barryk;1587 said:
I think we will now move on to our send 2nd idea of a blending agent.
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If you can beat Upol's blender stuff that would be great, that stuff is a bit pricey at 16.00 or so a can.
 
Barryk;1545 said:
We have been looking into packaging in an aerosol can, a purging agent for using with the activators to get all the air out of the can before resealing.
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Bloxygen.
It's available at my woodworking store and sold on Ebay and the internet.
About $10.00 a can.
I use it in my woodshop.
http://www.bloxygen.com/faq.html
 
i would like a high quality blender that has resin it. not just a solvent blender.

an aerosal adpro would be nice.

how about intercoat clear in a can like sem has came out with?
 
Hmmm, intercoat in a can. That i could see being usefull as well. I would think a collision shop would use that alot also on small blends. The money saved just on pps cups would more than pay for the can.
 
Intercoat in a spray can, I LIKE it!!
Adpro, in spray can.
Blender in spray can.

Sik, blenders with resins are bad news and I will NEVER get involved, save that for the "scam artist companies" along with their flex agent.

Thanks guys, looks like, I have my to do list!
 
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