how many hours to paint car

Dave C 5

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curious what the "average" car takes. Lets say it is a chevelle......very little rust( a few small spots maybe. Painting it for a show car but not necessarily SEMA. Just a local car for a guy to drive to local shows. Of course it will be color sanded and buffed( 20hrs there), it's ALWAYS a color change. Here's why I ask, I have had some guys tell me that i'm too expensive sometimes-I charge $35/hr and that if I was faster it wouldn't be so expensive. I remove all chrome , grill, bumpers ect.. I always end up around 150-200, some may only take 120 hrs maybe but my process is what you all do..."perfect paint job", i'm very detail oriented. I figure my $35/hr is sort of the Handicap so to speak. I tell them I may take longer but I don't charge $50 like everyone else. Just wondering if i'm in the ballpark time wise.I know it's a tough question but just looking for the avg car that is in pretty good shape
 
for the job you describe i would be at 250-400 hrs @ 95.00 . paint alone is 120 hrs color to final polish .

the busiest guy in town is the cheapest and the first to go under .
 
Wow - ok just to be a little more accurate- I charge for about 150 hrs but always end up over cause I suck at estimating- I give them a hard number and stick with it - I know that’s wrong but I do this on the side/hobby/extra cash- I work full time as a nurse at the VA and I just love painting cars BUT I don’t want to do it for “free” anymore- gonna be part of my retirement I hope
 
I have had a few painters tell me I shoul be charging $20 grand but I’ve only done this 8 years and I’m guessing I won’t get too many jobs around here at that price- most I ever charged was $8500 and that was material included- 250 hrs
 
Here's why I ask, I have had some guys tell me that i'm too expensive sometimes-I charge $35/hr and that if I was faster it wouldn't be so expensive. I remove all chrome , grill, bumpers ect.. I always end up around 150-200, some may only take 120 hrs maybe but my process is what you all do..."perfect paint job", i'm very detail oriented. I figure my $35/hr is sort of the Handicap so to speak. I tell them I may take longer but I don't charge $50 like everyone else. Just wondering if i'm in the ballpark time wise.I know it's a tough question but just looking for the avg car that is in pretty good shape

I started out over 40 years ago painting cars on nights and weekends in the garage behind my house. So I still identify with guys who just enjoy doing the work and seeing the end result. However I now come from a business plan point of view with property/building expenses, utility expenses, maintenance expenses, insurance expenses, employee expenses and tax expenses. $35 an hour can't even cover my overhead. So $35 an hour is less than zero pay in the my world. Still that's fine for a hobby or painting a friends car. Just be aware the customers that complain you're too expensive are asking you to be cheaper than you already are.
I can't address the average price of my work very accurately except to say we haven't been under 15k for show work in over eight years and we're booked for over a year out. ~BOB
 
Problem I have is it's hard to turn down stuff when you need the money. Until you reach a certain level with your reputation it is very hard to do as Shine and Bob does. A little bit of something looks better than a lot of nothing when you got bills to pay etc. I'm building something to show for myself soon but that takes money as well. Hardest thing for me to reconcile is charging enough without turning off a potential customer. So Dave you are not alone.
Bob and Shine any advice?
 
I’m there too ! I keep creeping my price up and cringe when I quote it . Guess I’m a little scared to reach that 10 grand mark but I know that’s what body shops charge and more and I’ve seen some of those- average. I’m just trying to figure a base hour per car for paint and go from there - 100 hrs for JUST paint (show quality) and everything else is added to that ?- got 100 hrs in a wagon right now with very little rust and I haven’t even cleat coated yet
 

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I find it amazing that people who don't do this type of work think that it can be done faster and cost less.
 
I have customers to ask all the time how much to fix my car/truck. Until I have done a certain type car it is hard for me to know how much. If they have a vehicle like what I have done before then I can say that the last one took this many hours. Experience is what it boils down to. The customer has to trust the body man. To make them feel comfortable always have references.
 
I have done jobs from 200 hours to 1200 it all depends on what the person wants. I charge 40 an hour and supply everything but paint and body panels unless it is something that has to be made then I charge to fabricate it.
 
Last one I did was 240 hours, that's why I don't do overall jobs anymore.
I stay with the quicker smaller collision repairs.
I get tired of anything once I work on it more than 3 to 4 days (LOL)
 
Doing it on the side and giving it about 20/hrs a week- I’m looking at the same car for months ! Always glad to see them go !
 
Problem I have is it's hard to turn down stuff when you need the money. Until you reach a certain level with your reputation it is very hard to do as Shine and Bob does. A little bit of something looks better than a lot of nothing when you got bills to pay etc. I'm building something to show for myself soon but that takes money as well. Hardest thing for me to reconcile is charging enough without turning off a potential customer. So Dave you are not alone.
Bob and Shine any advice?
In the beginning I was low priced. I worked a lot and made a little. l lost customers (and people who I thought were my friends) when I increased my hourly rates. It felt like a big risk to loose good customers. The part that worked for me was that I had developed a great reputation. What I found is that I've never been with out plenty of work ever since raising my rates. It's true I lost the low cost customers, but I replaced them with customers that are happy to pay for my work. How I did it was--- I just did it and didn't look back. Sounds easy now but for the first couple of years I was scared silly thinking I might have made a stupid mistake and would be out of business. ~BOB
 
Here's why I ask, I have had some guys tell me that i'm too expensive sometimes-
just a hobbiest here that hasnt painted in a few years, but i also ran into this. actually, what i really ran into was not enjoying the work for the wage i was making and i wasnt making the wage i deserved- even if just as a hobby out of my garage.
i had to grow a backbone and tell myself i deserve to earn a decent wage, even if im just a hobbiest.the major factor in that was my sons' stepdad- a painter for years and hes kicked out some awesome work( he also guided me through this one)- see the 96 stang i did for my son and he was very impressed. he asked what i would charge for that paint job. he laughed and said,"so ya dont like eating or wipin yer ass with toiletpaper,eh?"
and of course, the complaints from people and all that started coming. every single one never went to any of the shops around town first, which i was more than happy to say,"youre more than welcome to get estimates elsewhere."
but when i was getting work for my wages, i was liking what i was doing and strived to do a little more: replace a fender? ill even buff the whole vehicle. complete repaint? ill detail the engine compartment and interior.
one of the complainers had a 96 ss camaro with a deep scratch in the front bumper cover he wanted fixed.dam nice car. garage kept, never saw snow, and i dont think it saw rain,either. and pretty quick. with the 6 speed tranny, i would have loved to get that on a roadcourse( after doing the work,he let me drive it. crazy codger even encouraged me to make it work)
i gave him my estimate. said it was pretty high.i told him what i said above.
he took it to one of the shops in town.
about 2 months later he stopped by and was fuming. the collision shop repainted the whole bumper and it was obviously a mismatch( i thought it was a simple fix scratch,blend and clear the bumper) and they wouldnt foot the bill to do it right.some crap in the contract stating color match may be off, but this was WAY off.his atty said he was screwed unless he wanted to pay LOTS. he even apologized for realizing, AFTER paying the shop quite a bit more then i had estimated and having the color match way off, my price wasnt too shabby.
then brought his wifes 97 silverado for cab corners,rockers, and repaint a month later.
then brought me the right people i wanted to do work for.
id still get folks thinking i was too expensive, to the point i made a little writeup on where the money from the estimate went.
quite a few thought, beings how it was my own shop-in-a-garage heat, electricity, and water was magically free.
and sandpaper,tape,masking paper,etc is just a snap of the fingers away.


in short- set your price for what youre worth.
and people that dont like it?
"youre more then welcome to look elsewhere."
 
Thanks everyone for your replies - 8 years ago I found this site cause I wanted to paint my rusted truck - I bought every book and DVD and studied this site. You all answered my questions and Barry talked to me on the phone. My first paint job came out great enough that I started making money at it ! I have all of you to thank for that ! It appears,according to some people, that I’m one of the better painters around here and that’s because I listened to you ! I still need to work on figuring out how long a car will take but I’ve been logging hours per car so I’ll get there . Guess I’ll just start charging accordingly and see what happens- thanks again everyone !
 
You will always lose trying to estimate this stuff. Either quality suffers or you work for free once you meet the estimate. Keep accurate records of each job and it will help in the future. I think your low on materials also. If you allow 2 grand for materials your painting a car for 6500 bucks. That is a lot of work and wait til one of those jerks screw you.

It takes a long time building an honest reputation. Some luck and cards falling right in line. Look at some of the TV shows. Many are complete hacks but have a tv show because the right choices or luck came along. I always try to give them more than they are expecting and never short change them.

Tough business, hang out with the taco bell crowd and you'll end up working on junk for cheapskates. That sounds awful but it's true. Location and type of car guys in the area make a difference in all this. You have to market your capabilities in the market you want to work in. That means going to those desired shows with product, kissing babies like a politician, and talk with as many car owners as possible. If you can't supply the product at the show then sell yourself. Car owners will want to check your shop out before they commit. Impress them with your shop and it will go miles in helping them make a decision. In my crowd I have to fight the urge for a nice new black widow tattoo on my neck. As appealing as it sounds not everyone is accepting to this. The tear drop and swastika on the forehead aren't generally accepted either.
 
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