Door Alignment Pins

chevman

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I hesitate to post this, but I've noticed that there are a few OCD guys here that might be interested in this, and even one normal guy showed an interest in knowing how to get a door back on the older cars in the exact same spot that he adjusted it to, everytime he takes the door off. So I thought it might be worth showing my way. Most guys seem to just drill two 1/8" holes and use a 1/8" pin to finally get it lined up, then tighten the bolts, and that does work, and may even be good enough for your purposes.

I remove and reinstall the same doors many times, so my objective is to have two studs for each side of each door hinge, to just hang the door on, then install and tighten the bolts. This method locks the door nut plate in place with threaded 1/4" bolts, and leaves a smooth stud for the door to hang on to. Its as simple as drilling two 1/4" holes with the proper drill bit, and tapping the hole. I use 1-1/2" long bolts that are not threaded all the way up.


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Of course you have to get the door in the exact spot you want it first, but I don't like to drill the holes until I HAVE to remove the door, because things can change while still working on fitment or even repairs. When ready to drill the holes its important to drill as close to perpendicular as possible. Then remove the hinge and drill just the hinge holes again with a 1/4" drill bit with limited pressure to allow the bit to follow the existing hole, just removing the threads. Chamfer the edge slightly to help the pins find the hole.

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On this Mustang I had to do the body side of the hinges, then remove the door to do the door side of the hinges.

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If you have access to the back side, you might be able to install the 1/4" bolts from the back side and space them with larger nuts or washers, but there is a chance of loosing access to the bolt head after everything is reassembled, if it was ever necessary later on. There is also the metal retainer for the nut plate that is not flush against it, so it will be damaged if installing the bolts from the back side.

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Bolt (stick out) should be 1/8" to 3/16" max--1/8" is best. It doesn't sound like much, but it does the job very well, I would almost say perfect. Being short will allow some leeway for the bolts to be off somewhat from perpendicular, and the hinge slides onto the short pins much easier also.

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To get the smooth (stick out) for the hinge to rest on, just install the 1/4" bolts on the body, to lock down the nut plate to the body, without the hinge. You want to make sure there is no space left between the nut plate and the body, it can be a bit tricky. Run the bolts down all the way to the end of the thread, then tighten the bolts just slightly against the untapped part of the bolt, just a little past finger tight. Too tight will damage the threads on the body or door where the bolt needs to start its way in, and these pins working their way out over time is doubtful. Then measure the 1/8" (stick out), remove the bolt and cut it, then smooth out the cut edge of the bolt.

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Its certainly too much work for most, but maybe not for a few. It takes time a realign a door everytime it is removed, but this method only requires a couple minutes to remount the door, with perfect alignment.

A few words of caution: The Mustang door hinge is 3/8" thick, and the nut plate is 1/4" thick, so that is a lot of meat to drill and tap a 1/4" hole, use sharp tools and back the tap off when the going gets tough. It also needs to be removed a time or two to clean it off. 1/4x20 tap needs 7/32" drill bit for steel.
 
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Chev the pictures aren't showing up for me? Look forward to reading this, thanks you for posting it.
 
If a guy knows he might try this method, it would be a good idea to remove the door hinges and drill the 7/32" holes in just the hinges on a drill press before even starting to get the doors lined up. Later on when the doors are lined up the way you want them, then you can finish drilling the holes through the perpendicular holes that are already there. Just remember that two holes in the door and two holes in the body are needed for each hinge.
 
It would be nice if we had a "Tips" category in the restorations forum. Maybe call it Restoration Tips. Threads like this need to be saved.
 
This is very helpful advice for something just about everyone has struggled with at one time or another. Thank you for taking the time to explain it in detail.
 
I did something similar on my Mustang, pinned those backing plates to the body from the back using little roll pins. I didn't drill all the way through the hinge so they can't be seen, but the roll pin stands proud a little to go into a non through hole in the back of the hinge. In the spots I couldn't get through from the back, I drilled a hole from the front that will be hidden by the bolt head.

I like your idea, maybe I should drill and tap them for something small like 10-24 and put some sort of slotted head screw in there.

My fear is at final assembly I'll decide I didn't pin them in exactly the correct place and that that pint they can't be wasily removed. I'd need to move the hinge completely out of the way to pull the roll pin.
And pity someone who comes along later and tries to adjust the doors.
 
My fear is at final assembly I'll decide I didn't pin them in exactly the correct place and that that pint they can't be wasily removed. I'd need to move the hinge completely out of the way to pull the roll pin.
And pity someone who comes along later and tries to adjust the doors.
That would be a problem if you drill the holes too soon.
I tried using small screws a long time ago, but it didn't work out very good, and with the fender on, I don't think anyone could see the holes.
 
Someone asked what should be done when the car is reassembled and the door sags a little from the weight of the glass and other parts inside the door.

Keep in mind that the old cars have a lot of adjustments, the door can be adjusted up and down, in and out, and back and forth, in any combination of both hinges or one hinge. But only one adjusment.will be affected by the added weight in the door, and that is controlled by the top hinge to body location. Here is my way to deal with it.

Before installing the door for the last time, remove the two pins on that upper hinge to body location, and replace them with only one 1/4" bolt. Tighten it finger tight at the end of the threads, then just cut the head off, leaving some "stick out" past the installed hinge so it can be removed with vice grips after installing the door. Then it will be easy to remove it and make the necessary adjustment on the heavier door, which will be a slight move forward, to raise the back of the door up to where it was. BTW, I always remove the latch before adjusting the door.
 
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