Chromabase basecoats and BASEMAKER.

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I emailed Barry on this but wanted to post it here just incase he doesnt know the answer.

I have a ver small amount of chromabase paint to shoot. I have the mid temp basemaker but it is going to be 90 in my garage all week. I inquired about the high temp basemaker "7185s", but typical, its only for sale by the gallon.

Is "basemaker" just a fancy name for "reducer" or am I SOL and I have to spend $70 to shoot about $10 worth of paint?
 
odd....they have the mid temp in qts...but they dont have the high temp in qts? sounds like sales are low this month and they need to make a sale?!

i'm sure barry knows, so i wouldn't quote me on this till he answers, BUT you do need the basemaker for the dupont. To my knowledge you cant substitute it for a urethane reducer.

i've only shot dupont twice in my life so i'm no exper on the stuff...guess i'm lucky? LOL
 
Hi Orange, you can use a substitute as Barry has told me before. I believe you add some activator to your urethane reducer but I'm not positive. Hopefully Barry will chime in soon, but I do believe you can use your urethane reducer with activator in it...but let's make sure.
 
I just think its rediculious that you cant get the high temp basemaker in qts. There is about a 2 month span that I have temps in the 90's and I am a garage hack so its not very often that I even paint in those months.
 
Barry's response :

"Use urethane reducer and add 1oz of any clear activator per mixed quart and bingo!!"
 
I thought there was more to it than activator? I believe Dupont sells a separate "Basecoat Activator" that is optional for Chromabase / Chromapremier
 
The Dupont rep in the GA area has been advising shops that you can use reducer if a solid color, if metallice use the blender or add activator, your choice according to him.

That what the shops have been doing, since they converted all the debeer accounts.
 
I stand corrected, then. I must have confused some old information
 
Hmmm, I was under the impression the Basemaker portion was critical to completion of the Chromabase component. I found my old tech sheet and it states:

ChromaPremier® Basecoat must be activated with ChromaPremier® 12305S™ Activator. Mix 1 part
ChromaPremier® Basecoat to 1 part Basemaker®. Stir thoroughly, then activate: Add 1 ounce of
ChromaPremier® 12305S™ Activator to a ready-to-spray quart of ChromaPremier® Basecoat, or add 1⁄2
ounce of ChromaPremier® 12305S™ Activator to a ready-to-spray pint of basecoat.

Could it be that the Basemaker is nothing more than Urethane Reducer?
 
What I have isnt Chromapremier. Just Chromabase.


I have always just mixed it 1:1 with the 7175s basemaker(mid temp). I have never added any activator.
 
Barryk;9685 said:
The Dupont rep in the GA area has been advising shops that you can use reducer if a solid color, if metallice use the blender or add activator, your choice according to him.

That what the shops have been doing, since they converted all the debeer accounts.
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Well these are all mettalic colors so I will def use the activator.

Thanks again.

Now I just need to figure out the proper measurement for the little amount of paint I will be using.
 
There is about .3 floz in a cap.

Sorry if I'm too anal. Supplies are expensive. I try to limit my screw up to my lack of skills. Lol.
 
This was a funny deal, as this town was an SPI town for many years and Dupont was just nowhere to be found.
The Dupont rep would visit a shop and then when he left, the shop would call me, 1st thing I pointed out was the cost of blender on top of the price of color that they were not telling the shop about.
The second thing was if you wet sand their base then the new base will not stick, no matter what you do.

With this all of a sudden some guy along with 13 sales rep shows up at the jobber store and he says hes a chemist.

So this guy confirms all this and also says, you can now wet sand their base and the base will stick as they changed the base.

This has been about nine months and no issues yet and this has been an SPI town since day one and I will know, if there is as all the shops know me.
 
[QUOTE='68 Coronet R/T;9687]Could it be that the Basemaker is nothing more than Urethane Reducer?[/QUOTE]


Thats kind of what I was thinking, just wasnt sure. It sure doesnt make sense to me that a company like Dupont would have a one off product like that with no work around. Infact when I went to my local jobber for the colors the other day I went to buy the mid temp basemaker and they were out due to a shipping mistake. I was thinking to myself, if I was a shop I'd be pretty pissed right now if this was holding me back from getting a job out the door. Then I checked the weather and what was coming up in the next few days and realized I needed the high temp basemaker and found it was only sold in gallons, WTF is that! I dont mind spending money on a high temp reducer by the gallon IF ill be able to use it with several different products but not something labeled "basemaker" that appears to only be used with basecoats. I shoot color in my garage a pint at a time most times, and in this weather its not often that I'll even work out there.

Seems to me to be successful you have to have a product that performs well and is also versatile, and that goes with ANYTHING IMO.

I think thats why I am liking the SPI products more and more everyday. Simple and straight forward.
 
The orginal base maker was nothing more then an intercoat clear, to a point.
 
This is good info on Chromabase. I keep the basemaker in stock for when I have to use Dupont base because I didn't know any better. Always bothered me that most other brands of base use reducer and Dupont needs a special product. I prefer bases that I can use SPI reducer and UV activator.
Question: Can I add some UV hardener to Chromabase and Dupont basemaker? I will be spraying a few jobs with it soon.
 
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