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That process is a pain in the butt, but should produce the result you want.
Looks like you have some old crash damage to metal work back out on the pillar too. Always many surprises once we open these old vehicles up. Never would have guessed, from the initial photos, that the rust was this extensive. I'm 73 and am with you on the "everything hurts" road doing this kind of work.
 
From a collision repair perspective:

1. Maintain fit of doors (and all associated panels) during repair process, yes, 100% necessary.
2. Making numerous screw holes in outer skins of cosmetic panels, no, avoid if at all possible.

SOP in the shops I have worked at would be to use the hinges and perhaps even the latch/striker to locate the door*. If the lower hinge mounting of the lower pillar is to be cut out and replaced, do careful measuring with a tape measure (or better, tram gauge, which I think is a good investment for a builder) then hold the lower hinge section in place with any combo of clamps, Clecos, screws, and tack welds, then try the door on again. At that point more welds can be added to the hinge pillar once the the fit is satisfactory. Watch the fit as you add welds. Typically the door opening will tighten up just a touch during welding, so typically try to be on the big side of just right with your gaps.

Of course, it's pretty normal that the tacks will have to be cut and the lower pillar moved at least once before final welding based on the fit. But you don't want the structure under any kind of tension during fit and welding if at all possible, which is another reason why having the door semi-rigidly connected to the door opening with straps might not be the best plan. You could encounter a situation where the door jumps to a different alignment when the screws are removed, and belatedly realize that the pillar isn't quite where you wanted it.

I apologize for the direct criticism Dean, I mean it only in a constructive way, so to speak. And I welcome criticisms of my criticism from all.

*Striker should be removed for most of the process, it gets put in mostly to assist in the mounting of the door.
 
Right on point, crash, I physically cringed when I saw the screws in the sheet metal. Sorry Dean, I hate welding up screw holes in large panels.
 
Appreciate the different opinions — I’m here to learn. My thinking was that welding up a handful of 5/32" holes is pretty trivial compared to the rest of the metal work, including the factory 1/2" mirror mounting holes, and the 1/4" holes for aftermarket mirrors, that also need to be filled.

Not to mention the 3" filler cap opening, and the 1.25", "whatever " holes nearby.

The outer metal is 18 gauge. Pretty forgiving.

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FWIW I have done it the way Dean shows a few times. If you are fearful of welding a dozen or so screw holes maybe don't do it this way. I like the built in alignment repeatability that the screws provide and knowing that I can always get it back where I started. Not trying to be difficult or argue but there are several right ways to do a lot of this work. Especially when you are working on old rusty abused junk like I usually have to start with.
 
All the parts came with nice EDP coating.

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I've read enough to not trust it.
No "laquer thinner test," just sand/blast them to bare metal, then coat with SPI epoxy (spray, brush, pour, whatever it takes) after welding.

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And it's comfortable to put off "point of no return" cutting
 

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This 3 inch reach grinder from HF proving to be useful.
Not my main tool, but handy for hard to reach spots.
I already know that you will be careful, but watch that thing like a hawk. I bought the exact same one, and mid cut something in the head (bearing maybe) let go and started vibrating horribly causing cut off disc to fragment.
 
I bought the chief brand one years ago and its proven to be a great tool.
Last few things I've bought (cut off tools, belt file, palm sander) have been Astro and I've been happy with them. Unfortunately they don't make this long reach guy. I have had ok luck with HF stuff, but that one died pretty quick.
 
Ya, central pneumatic anything is a risky purchase if you expect longevity, but the chief and baxter brands have proven to be good tools(for me any ways). I just cant swing the mac/snap-on stuff anymore and I dont have a lot of free time to search around online for used/deals.

The one chief tool I bought that proved to be a POS was the air riveter, but I screwed up and waited to long to return it so its just sitting on the shelf collecting dust. I took it apart and found the issue and one day I may resolve it on my own.
 
Slowly welding parts in.

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May not be pretty, but it's strong.

Notice the bolt through the floorboard. It goes through the brace and is exactly where it needs to be (had to call the guy who bought the frame and get the frame mount hole oc measurement. )

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And I've tested the door fit at each step. Somehow it still fits.

Now to weld in the step. A bit complicated...probably have to remake that filler panel.

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