023 Mig Welding Wire for body panels

ER70S-2 is the same thing, it is also less likely to crack due to its low carbon. Next best for easy grinding is ER70S-3

Thank you,

Seeing as I'm new to gas mig and tig welding, I have a lot to learn. I'm not sure what to look for when comparing carbon content with either the Easygrind 023 or ER70S wire ?
https://www.esabna.com/us/en/produc...gmaw/mild-steel-wires/spoolarc-easy-grind.cfm

Looking at the spec's for the Easygrind 023 wire below, correct me if I'm wrong but, doesn't this wire have a higher Impact and tensile strength than any of the ER70S line?
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Typical Charpy V-Notch Properties​

As Welded
Impact Value40 ft-lb
Impact Value54 J
Testing Temperature-20 °F
Testing Temperature-29 °C

Typical Tensile Properties​

ConditionElongationShielding GasTensile StrengthYield Strength
As Welded24 %75% Ar - 25% CO2552 MPa (80 ksi)497 MPa (72 ksi)

Recommended Welding Parameters​

CurrentVoltageWire DiameterWire Feed Speed
100-125 A23-25 V0.6 mm (.023 in.)1016-1575 cm/min (400-620 in./min)
45-90 A14-16 V0.6 mm (.023 in.)381-965 cm/min (150-380 in./min)
160-200 A24-26 V0.8 mm (.030 in.)1270-1651 cm/min (500-650 in./min)
60-140 A14-16 V0.8 mm (.030 in.)381-889 cm/min (150-350 in./min)

Deposition Data​

CurrentDeposition RateDiameterDeposition Efficiency (%)
100 A1.13 kg/h (2.5 lb/h)0.8 mm (.030 in.)93 %
150 A1.77 kg/h (3.9 lb/h)0.8 mm (.030 in.)93 %
200 A2.95 kg/h (6.5 lb/h)0.8 mm (.030 in.)93 %
75 A0.82 kg/h (1.8 lb/h)0.8 mm (.030 in.)93 %
100 A1.18 kg/h (2.6 lb/h)0.8 mm (.030 in.)96 %
100 A1.18 kg/h (2.6 lb/h)0.8 mm (.030 in.)98 %
150 A1.81 kg/h (4.0 lb/h)0.8 mm (.030 in.)96 %
150 A1.86 kg/h (4.1 lb/h)0.8 mm (.030 in.)98 %
200 A3.04 kg/h (6.7 lb/h)0.8 mm (.030 in.)96 %
200 A6.7 kg/h (6.8 lb/h)0.8 mm (.030 in.)98 %
75 A0.86 kg/h (1.9 lb/h)0.8 mm (.030 in.)96 %
75 A0.91 kg/h (2.0 lb/h)0.8 mm (.030 in.)98 %

Classifications​

NameNo AWS Classification


See next post for additional information on ER70S for comparison.

 
Here is Information I found concerning ER70S wire.

Difference between ER70S-2、ER70S-3、ER70S-4、ER70S-6、ER70S-7

May 22, 2019/0 Comments/in Blog /by WELDER METALS
AWS A5.18 is the specification for carbon steel electrodes and rods for gas shielded arc welding like gas metal arc (GMAW), gas tungsten arc (GTAW) and plasma arc (PAW) welding, we all know class ER70S-2、ER70S-3、ER70S-4、ER70S-6、ER70S-7welding electrodes can be used for welding the carbon steel and the low alloy carbon steel with a strength less than 500Mpa, do you know what’s the difference between them?
Let’s see their chemical composition comparison firstly:
AWSCMnSiPSNiCrMoVCuTiZrAl
ER70S-20.070.9-1.40.4-0.70.0250.0350.150.150.150.030.50.05-0.150.02-0.120.05-0.15
ER70S-30.06-0.150.9-1.40.45-0.750.0250.0350.150.150.150.030.5///
ER70S-40.06-0.151.0-1.50.65-0.850.0250.0350.150.150.150.030.5///
ER70S-60.06-0.151.4-1.850.8-1.150.0250.0350.150.150.150.030.5///
ER70S-70.07-0.151.5-2.00.5-0.80.0250.0350.150.150.150.030.5///
We can see that the main difference between them is the content of C, Mn and Si elements except for ER70S-2 welding wire. The content of Mn and Si will affect the welding metallurgical reaction and weld properties.
Secondly, their impact test requirements(As welded) differ:
AWS A5.18(A5.18M)Average impact strength(A5.18M), Min
ER70S-2(ER48S-2)20 ft.lb.at -20F (27J at -30℃)
ER70S-3(ER48S-3)20 ft.lb.at 0F (27J at -20℃)
ER70S-4(ER48S-4)Not required
ER70S-6(ER48S-6)20 ft.lb.at -20F (27J at -30℃)
ER70S-7(ER48S-7)20 ft.lb.at -20F (27J at -30℃)
As can be seen from the above table, ER70S-4 does not require impact toughness under welding state, and ER70S-3 has a weaker impact toughness requirement than ER70S-2, ER70S-6 and ER70S-7.
Thirdly, AWS 5.18 specified their different application scenarios:
ER70S-2 welding wire and filler wire are mainly used for single-pass welding of killed, semi-killed, and rimmed steels, as well as for some multi-pass welding applications. The addition of deoxidizer allows the filler metal to be used for welding steel with rust or dirt on the surface, but may damage the weld quality, depending on the surface conditions. It is widely used for high quality and high toughness GTAW welds, and is well suited for single-side welding without the need for root gas protection on the reverse side of the joint.
ER70S-3 welding wires and filler wires are suitable for single-pass and multi-pass welds. Typical base metal standards are usually the same as those applicable to the ER70S-2. ER70S-3 is the most widely used GMAW wire.
ER70S-4 wire and filler wire are suitable for the welding of steels whose conditions require that they provide more deoxidation capacity than ER70S-3 filler metal. Typical base metal standards are usually the same as ER70S-2. No impact test is required.
ER70S-6 welding wire and filler wire are suitable for both single pass and multi-pass welding. They are particularly suitable for sheet metal where smooth weld passes are expected and for section and sheet steel with moderate amounts of rust or hot rolled scale. These wires allow for higher current ranges when welding with a CO2 shielded gas or a mixture of argon and oxygen or argon and carbon dioxide. Typically, the base material used is the same as ER70S-2.
ER70S-7 welding wire and filler wire are suitable for single-pass and multi-pass welding. They can be welded at higher moving speeds compared to ER70S-3 filler metals. They also provide some better wetting and bead shaping than those of filler metals. These wires allow for a higher current range when welding with a CO2 shielded gas or a mixture of argon and oxygen or argon and carbon dioxide. Base metal standards are usually the same as ER70S-2.
Currently, ER70S-6 is the most consumed electrode and filler metal, there was followed by ER70S-3, with less use of other wires. ER70S-3 is applied in the automotive, construction or machinery industry, and ER70S-4 is mainly used in places where low requirements are needed such as bicycle welding.
 

Don
 
Irregardless of what wire you choose, MIG welds are always going to be harder than the base metal due to carbon in the shielding gas. No getting around that. ER70 S6 is by far the most common wire used. It is/was also what OEM's recommended using prior to the use of high strength steels. (whole other subject). ER70 S2 being the 2nd most common, although S2 grade filler is used more with TIG than anything else.

ER70-S6 is more tolerant of contamination that is ER70-S2. That is an important considering the fact that it is often hard to clean the backside of something you are welding.
 
I believe ER70-S3 is even more tolerant of dirty metal.
Edit: I may be mistaken on that.
 
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Anybody use silicone bronze mig wire for sheetmetal? Very reputable local body shop says they use it pretty much exclusively now, got them to weld a cracked triumph bike fender that I didn't trust myself to do without creating trouble, it looks great, nice weld and ground down nicely. I got a roll and realized it requires straight argon so haven't used it. Just wondering.
 
I’ve used the S-7 and like it over the EZ Grind, less splatter in my experience. The -7 has slightly more manganese for better wetting/flow out. So run the welder hotter like you should, faster on the wire feed, and quicker (less time) on the trigger pull should net you a flatter weld. Which means easier planishing and less grinding compared to MIG welds that are more proud. But good luck finding it in 10 lb spools or in .023. Blue Demon sells the .023 in larger spools but to my knowledge they are offshore manufacture. I was using ESAB brand, I think .030 is the smallest they carry but that size is still well within specs for 19 or 18 gauge metal.
 
Isn't silicon bronze just brazing and not a fusion weld? Would you want that when doing panel patches?
 
Isn't silicon bronze just brazing and not a fusion weld? Would you want that when doing panel patches?

You are correct. Silicon Bronze is a form of brazing. It has been used by the OEM"S to join certain panels especially in places where they used to lead the seam, now they Silicon bronze it instead. It has gotten more popular with collision shops in the last decade because of the increased use of HSS or HSLA exterior panels by OEM's. It can join panels without heating the panel enough to damage it whereas welding will. HSLA you can only get it to a certain temp before you temper the panel and weaken it. So certain lap type of joints and silicon bronze are used in places on a vehicle. While it will work for certain things it is by no means a welding process.

Speaking of MIG wire, this is what Honda and others are requiring now that their vehicles be repaired with. Only $389 for an 11 lb roll.:eek:

 
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